Power Pack To Power 3pt Implements

[Daves3032E]

I have an idea... Maybe not the best though - always have an abundance of those

What I am wanting to do is build a frame to house an engine (8hp-12hp gas, reduced gearing), incorporate mounts for attaching a 3pt logging winch (Wallenstein FX65), and power the PTO shaft on the winch. This would be mounted in the bed of my truck (2016 RAM 3500 DRW). Yarder-ish of sorts. Probably need outriggers with drop legs or something.

That would allow me to pull trees close enough to the log trailer to grab/load them. It won't work for everything, but I have been in situations where this would work nicely more than a few times, and it sure would beat having to trailer the a tractor out > go get log trailer > take log trailer back home when done > pick tractor back up.

Thoughts?

 

[jb1390]

I have an idea... Maybe not the best though - always have an abundance of those

What I am wanting to do is build a frame to house an engine (8hp-12hp gas, reduced gearing), incorporate mounts for attaching a 3pt logging winch (Wallenstein FX65), and power the PTO shaft on the winch. This would be mounted in the bed of my truck (2016 RAM 3500 DRW). Yarder-ish of sorts. Probably need outriggers with drop legs or something.

That would allow me to pull trees close enough to the log trailer to grab/load them. It won't work for everything, but I have been in situations where this would work nicely more than a few times, and it sure would beat having to trailer the a tractor out > go get log trailer > take log trailer back home when done > pick tractor back up.

Thoughts?

Any reason an electric winch wouldn't suit your purposes? I would think a bumper mounted 12k pound winch would be plenty adequate, simpler, and far less prone to issues than a setup like you describe.

 

[Daves3032E]

Any reason an electric winch wouldn't suit your purposes? I would think a bumper mounted 12k pound winch would be plenty adequate, simpler, and far less prone to issues than a setup like you describe.

I don't think an electric winch would hold up. Really slow as well. I would need the winch to pull the logs perpendicular to the truck as well - and within reach of the loader. They make a winch that goes on the log trailer, but I don't think it will reach 150+ ft.

 

[bcp]

I've often though that small time logging would find lots of use for an old tow truck.



Bruce

 

[Daves3032E]

I've often though that small time logging would find lots of use for an old tow truck.

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Bruce

I could see something like that working for someone.

 

[dickfoster]

Any reason an electric winch wouldn't suit your purposes? I would think a bumper mounted 12k pound winch would be plenty adequate, simpler, and far less prone to issues than a setup like you describe.

Having been down this road myself, skidding logs with a bumper mounted winch. Don't do it unless you happen to enjoy replacing ball joints. And for a 4X4 that's a real PITA job.
Also at the least you'd have to install line locks in your brakes and lock up all four wheels while winching. Otherwise the load with just drag the rear tires of the truck around with only the hand brake set.

 

[jenkinsph]

I suspect when you compare the value of the logs harvested to the cost of a new dually pickup you will loose money. I would find another way and take care of the truck.

 

[Deezl Smoke]

If I were to use your above scenario of a brand new pu and a log trailer, I'd rather put the winch on the log trailer. That way I could put some rather aggressive outriggers on without issues with the pu. Basically pull the logs to the trailer, then pull the trailer forward to load them.

New if I had an old crummy pu, let the real logging begin.

 

[BHD]

I would suggest, if going to make your power pack, basically make a power pack that has a hydraulic pump, and then power a hydraulic motor on the winch or what ever,

I made three point log splinter, and one time ran it off the tractor hydraulics, then fuel shot up in price, so I make a power pack (tank, engine, pump, and valve. and quick connects.) and use that power pack on the log spliter, on the fence roller, and have even used it to run the hydraulics on machinery when working on it with a tractor available. I have considered making a king sized hydraulic press, and using it on that and I have two winches that I plan on mounting hydraulic motors on here this spring,

I think one could think of a number of uses for a portable hydraulic power pack.

 

[Daves3032E]

I suspect when you compare the value of the logs harvested to the cost of a new dually pickup you will loose money. I would find another way and take care of the truck.

Take care of the truck? Pfff... LOL.

Actually, I'm not really seeing what the harm to the truck would be is all. When I start loading logs in the bed, lights will get smashed and fenderwells with get dented - that's just the life of a truck.

 

[Daves3032E]

I would suggest, if going to make your power pack, basically make a power pack that has a hydraulic pump, and then power a hydraulic motor on the winch or what ever,

I made three point log splinter, and one time ran it off the tractor hydraulics, then fuel shot up in price, so I make a power pack (tank, engine, pump, and valve. and quick connects.) and use that power pack on the log spliter, on the fence roller, and have even used it to run the hydraulics on machinery when working on it with a tractor available. I have considered making a king sized hydraulic press, and using it on that and I have two winches that I plan on mounting hydraulic motors on here this spring,

I think one could think of a number of uses for a portable hydraulic power pack.

I would think that a hydraulic pump / motor setup could probably work, but I'm sure it would cost more, and weigh more (tank, motor, pump, engine, and frame) than just an engine geared down with chain/sprockets (no clutch as the winch has one). I would think less efficient as well.

 

[Daves3032E]

If I were to use your above scenario of a brand new pu and a log trailer, I'd rather put the winch on the log trailer. That way I could put some rather aggressive outriggers on without issues with the pu. Basically pull the logs to the trailer, then pull the trailer forward to load them.

New if I had an old crummy pu, let the real logging begin.

I'm not sure where I'm going to put a winch with 150+ ft of cable on the log trailer. Ideally it would be on the trailer though.

 

[pat32rf]

Having been down this road myself, skidding logs with a bumper mounted winch. Don't do it unless you happen to enjoy replacing ball joints. And for a 4X4 that's a real PITA job.
Also at the least you'd have to install line locks in your brakes and lock up all four wheels while winching. Otherwise the load with just drag the rear tires of the truck around with only the hand brake set.

Got a couple of 8000lb electric winches on various vehicles. Never had trouble with ball joints on any and as long as the vehicle is locked in 4x4 the front axle is locked to the rear. I sit behind the wheel to jockey the rpm if needed and keep it appropriate for the electric load and temperature...Vehicle is normally sitting in Park for most pulls