Power beyond / 4035

[Biggreenavalanche]

Settled on the 4035 w/FEL ....

Can somebody tell me what "power beyond" is when talking about FEL hydraulics ? And, does the 4035 have that as when equipped with ML120 FEL ? And, can a4035 have four remotes in the back ?

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I am relatively certain that it has power beyond with the loader. You will not get 4 OEM rear remotes with any Mahindra. I believe that the 4035 has the capability of 2 OEM rear remotes with one being standard. If you want 4 sets, (8 outlets) I would just use the single OEM rear remote and use 3 diverter valves banked together to get the 4 remotes that you need. In fact that is what I will be doing on my 3215 in the not to distant future along with a single diverter for the loader.

What are you planning on using the four remotes for?

 

[tennmogger]

Settled on the 4035 w/FEL ....

Can somebody tell me what "power beyond" is when talking about FEL hydraulics ? And, does the 4035 have that as when equipped with ML120 FEL ? And, can a4035 have four remotes in the back ?

This should help:

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/hydraulics/114504-what-power-beyond-spoole-valves.html

 

[Biggreenavalanche]

Brian, I plan on getting a top n tilt setup from you...doesn't that require two remotes ? What if I get a new implement which requires a remote, or two, to operate ? I'm a tinkerer and wanna do some hydraulic tinkering...

 

[Biggreenavalanche]

Tennmogger, thanks, good link n it helped...

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Brian, I plan on getting a top n tilt setup from you...doesn't that require two remotes ? What if I get a new implement which requires a remote, or two, to operate ? I'm a tinkerer and wanna do some hydraulic tinkering...

Yes sir, top and tilt requires 4 outlets. Smart thinking getting 4 sets. :thumbsup: With my 3215 I ordered it with the one single OEM remote that was available. Then added 2 more, guess what, 3 sets is not enough. I am now going to remove the 2 spool Prince valve that I put on years ago and install 3 diverter valves all bolted together so that I will have 4 sets all controlled with the one OEM valve. I need the 4 remotes for my "TnT" and I am in the process of making my landscape rake to have hydraulic angle and boom offset. I also hope to get a Land Pride RBT3584 rear blade with hydraulic angle and offset just as the landscape rake will have.

 

[Biggreenavalanche]

Just figured I'd get 4 sets right off the bat n save myself the trouble later...after reading this forum, running a friends kubota L3130 and my old MF35, I wanted bells, whistles, and all the lazy mans helpers i could get on on my new one !

I have a box blade, bush hog, rear bucket, 6 way scraper blade, post hole auger, disk, 1 bottom turn plow...any recommendations for new additions ? Hahaha !

Rich

 

[MtnViewRanch]

If you have much road or driveway that gets graded, I highly recommend a land plane grader blade as another very useful implement. A good size for the 4035 would be a nice 6 footer that weighs 800-1000lbs. It is almost unbelievable how well this type of implement works.

Do you know if you are going to mount new spool valves somewhere, or would you consider the diverter valve setup using the single OEM valve as the control valve? Just to let you know, I am now selling both the spool valves and diverter valves. Decide what type you want and let me quote you on them.

 

[Biggreenavalanche]

Brian, dunno which setup to use, mainly 'cause I really don't know enough about hydraulics (yet) to know which is best...the grader is cool, but I only have about 200 yards of drive...I will be looking for a Danuser post driver later on though...and want to fab a hydraulic chainsaw (long remote operated pole saw setup)...

I will definitely contact you for t&t and probably for the other hydro needs too...you've got a **** good rep on this forum as a person that builds, sells, and backs his product, that's good enough for me...

Rich

 

[flusher]

Settled on the 4035 w/FEL ....

Can somebody tell me what "power beyond" is when talking about FEL hydraulics ? And, does the 4035 have that as when equipped with ML120 FEL ? And, can a4035 have four remotes in the back ?

Sure. My 2008 Mahindra 5525 has triple rear remotes.



Power Beyond (PB) refers to a port on the FEL control valve assembly. It's used to operate additional hydraulic valves "beyond" the FEL unit. There's a hydraulic hose that connects the PB on my FEL valve assembly to the triple remote valves on the right rear fender. The circuit is completed by running another hose from the remote valves to the low pressure line that goes to the hydraulic system sump. You need to insert a cylindrical steel sleeve in the PB port on the FEL valve to divert the high pressure flow to the rear remote valves. Check your FEL valve for a port labeled "PB".

 

[Biggreenavalanche]

Flusher, thanks...sweet setup, did u do the install or did dealer...either way, looks good...

 

[LAWALLSTRACTOR]

If you should buy a 3 or 4 spool valve to install, make sure it has a PB port, and you also purchase the PB sleeve for it, or you will end up with a 3PH that doesn't work.
When your loader valve was installed, it stole the in line that powered the 3PH, so in turn the loader valve PB goes back to power the 3PH. When you steel the loader valve PB port to power your new valve assy you inturn have to power your 3ph from a PB port on your new valve. I hope this makes some sense for you.

 

[Biggreenavalanche]

Lawstractor, yep, beginning to make sense...essentially all the valves/spools/whatever ya call 'ems all get juice and eventually the juice has to get back to starting point...I assume there is a finite number of spools one can add...I think I will have two sets of "oem" and add two more sets myself using the PBS from the FEL...my goal is to have T&T permanently installed and have two more remotes for later gadgets...

Thanks,

Rich

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Lawstractor, yep, beginning to make sense...essentially all the valves/spools/whatever ya call 'ems all get juice and eventually the juice has to get back to starting point...I assume there is a finite number of spools one can add...I think I will have two sets of "oem" and add two more sets myself using the PBS from the FEL...my goal is to have T&T permanently installed and have two more remotes for later gadgets...

Thanks,

Rich

Rich, did you already order the tractor to have the 2 OEM remotes? If so, fine. If not, I think that you would find that you can add the 3 additional remotes for the same if not less amount of $$$$ that the 2nd OEM remote costs.

 

[flusher]

Flusher, thanks...sweet setup, did u do the install or did dealer...either way, looks good...

Dealer's own design. Installed by dealer when I bought the 5525 new. Cost: $700. The flat top rear fenders make this setup easy to install.

 

[Biggreenavalanche]

Brian, nope, havent ordered yet, went today and my local dealer had two gear and two PST on the lot...the PST are 2012 with one remote...the gears are 2011 with no remote...when i mentioned that the gear 4035 were supposed to have the one remote from the factory (as advertised) he said "nope" they didnt come with one...he wants $1200 to install one remote on either tractor and did not seem real "smart" on the install...not sure about his price either, $20900 for gear with FEL and no remotes, $22900 for PST with FEL and one remote, additional $910 per remote "kit" (not installed) all these prices were pre-tax prices, not OTD prices...currently shopping around to see if I can find a better price...

Any recommendations on what is a good price ? (for the Gear 2011 with FEL and no remote ?)

If I went that route would you have the necessary "stuff" for four remotes and what would be a ball park on the parts for that ?

I think I really want a gear, I used a Kubota L3130 for the past few days and really didn't mind the clutch work, guess I'm used to it...

Flusher, what dealer ? if it's in No Cal that's way to far for me ! LOLOL! Would he sent the plans down here ?

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Rich, You need to take a really good look at the tractor and imagine where and how you would mount a 4 spool valve. This can be a problem in itself to have it come out really clean. Not saying that a super clean install is not possible, just that you should look real close to see how it might be done. I have not looked at this very close, so I can not be of much help with the positioning and mounting of the valves. I will say that if you are going to do all the labor, that you should be able to get all four valves for less than the $1200. I would take a hard look to see if there is anyway that I could come up with a way of fitting the valve so that the control levers would be located in the same location as the OEM levers. Should be able to be done, just need to get creative with the valve mounting bracket. :drool:

The other option is if you were to get one that already has the one OEM remote, then just use that valve with a bank of 3 diverter valves to get your 4 remotes. That is what I am going to do with my 3215. I have 3 right now, but I'm tired of my 2 spool valve hanging off the ROPS and I need 4 remotes. So I'm going back to just the original OEM valve and going to have the 3 bank set of diverters and the OEM knob on the rear remote control lever will be changed out to a knob with 3 selector buttons in it.

A guesstimate for your 4035 for the complete "TnT" kit is $585 + shipping and a 4 spool Bucher stacking valve with 2 valves with float, 1 with spring return to center and one double detented. This is would be PB ready. $600 + shipping. All your other hoses and fittings to complete the install should run a few hundred more. If you go the diverter route it will be more $$$$.

Anyway that you look at it, it is not worth the money to add any OEM remotes IMO.

 

[Biggreenavalanche]

Brian,

Gonna send you a PM...

Rich

 

[flusher]

Flusher, what dealer ? if it's in No Cal that's way to far for me ! LOLOL! Would he sent the plans down here ?

Dave Siemens at Dave's Tractor

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Dave posts a lot on TBN as "DavesTractor". PM him here on TBN or use his website's contact feature.

 

[Biggreenavalanche]

Ok thanks

Rich