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Ok. So I know this has been on here before but how about new insight and updates.

What do you do for algae?
Mine is to the pint to which I can't control it. I don't have control over all of the water shed. Having tried everything else except an aerator. I have been temped to chlorinate the whole pond to kill it.

Been online and that's confusing. No power at pond but have thought of solar down there.
 
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I don't have control over all of the water shed.

Based on this...I don't think anything you do will last....There are pond chemicals you can buy that will kill algae...expensive, tractor supply here has them and you can find them on line...but if you have no control over the water shed then, I think it is a waste...Have you contacted your county agent..?
 
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Based on this...I don't think anything you do will last....There are pond chemicals you can buy that will kill algae...expensive, tractor supply here has them and you can find them on line...but if you have no control over the water shed then, I think it is a waste...Have you contacted your county agent..?

I have bought everything rural king and tsc have to offer for it. Used maximum label rates for application and year. County agent sent me to see the fisheries biologist for the state fish and game for my area. He said go to rural king and repeat.

My problem isn't floating algae. As I can keep that under control. Mine is submerged algae that my pump sucks in and clogs my filters. Have gas chorine for chlorination and it kills it. But then has to be filtered out. I doubled my filtering capacity and still can't make it through the day. I need 24 hours of filtering then I regenerate my filters.
 
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I have bought everything rural king and tsc have to offer for it. Used maximum label rates for application and year. County agent sent me to see the fisheries biologist for the state fish and game for my area. He said go to rural king and repeat.

My problem isn't floating algae. As I can keep that under control. Mine is submerged algae that my pump sucks in and clogs my filters. Have gas chorine for chlorination and it kills it. But then has to be filtered out. I doubled my filtering capacity and still can't make it through the day. I need 24 hours of filtering then I regenerate my filters.

My problem isn't floating algae

OK....I can help with that....I had the same problem with my lake and I bought 6 Sterile Grass Carp for a 2 ac. lake and my problem was finally solved...I highly recommend the sterile grass carp....It sure worked for me...! Good Luck with it....
 
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OK....I can help with that....I had the same problem with my lake and I bought 6 Sterile Grass Carp for a 2 ac. lake and my problem was finally solved...I highly recommend the sterile grass carp....It sure worked for me...! Good Luck with it....

I will give it a try. Been a few years since I added any. How often must you add them? Now I bet it's spring before the fish truck runs again.
 
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Brin is right! Grass Carp will do it. I add two every other year as the older they get, the less they eat.
 
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I remember as a teenager my step dad used to put carmex in our pond. It was a powder for cattle and killed the algae but I think it got taken off the market? Not sure if it was harmful to fish.
 
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Ok. So I know this has been on here before but how about new insight and updates.

What do you do for algae?
Mine is to the pint to which I can't control it. I don't have control over all of the water shed. Having tried everything else except an aerator. I have been temped to chlorinate the whole pond to kill it.

Been online and that's confusing. No power at pond but have thought of solar down there.

Currently trying to sort through it. There is as much on that site as there is here.

I have bought everything rural king and tsc have to offer for it. Used maximum label rates for application and year. County agent sent me to see the fisheries biologist for the state fish and game for my area. He said go to rural king and repeat.

My problem isn't floating algae. As I can keep that under control. Mine is submerged algae that my pump sucks in and clogs my filters. Have gas chorine for chlorination and it kills it. But then has to be filtered out. I doubled my filtering capacity and still can't make it through the day. I need 24 hours of filtering then I regenerate my filters.

I will give it a try. Been a few years since I added any. How often must you add them? Now I bet it's spring before the fish truck runs again.


trying to grasp what is going on... i read a pump, filters, submerged algae, pond, buying chemicals, but no actually good details.

why type of pond are you talking about? is this a mud/clay pond? or is this a liner pond?
what size is the pond? dimensions? how deep?
what shape is the pond?
what type of fish are in the pond?
how does water come into the pond to keep it full? through a stream? run off from surrounding fields? garden hose?
what tests have you done and what did they show?

lots of questions, but without the basics, not much can be done. going to addon, any pictures you have can go along ways on the internet.

www.koiphen.com = more of a pond liner website.
Pond Boss Magazine: Welcome = more of a mud/clay pond website.
 
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trying to grasp what is going on... i read a pump, filters, submerged algae, pond, buying chemicals, but no actually good details. why type of pond are you talking about? is this a mud/clay pond? or is this a liner pond? what size is the pond? dimensions? how deep? what shape is the pond? what type of fish are in the pond? how does water come into the pond to keep it full? through a stream? run off from surrounding fields? garden hose? what tests have you done and what did they show? lots of questions, but without the basics, not much can be done. going to addon, any pictures you have can go along ways on the internet. www.koiphen.com = more of a pond liner website. Pond Boss Magazine: Welcome = more of a mud/clay pond website.

I water livestock out of it. Thus the reason for the pump and filter. If it wasn't for the damage to the pump and not being able to keep water to livestock I wouldn't be concerned about it.
It's a earthen pond. A little over an acre in size max depth is about 15 feet and average depth is in the 10-12 range. As for fish some channel cats and large mouth bass but an over abundance of green ear bluegill and rock bass.
I own some I the water shed and it's cattle pasture. But I have problems without them being in the water shed until July. But most of it is a crop field that I don't own. It is terraced but super large rain falls of over an inch an hour can over whelm them. Field is cropped with 3 crops every 2 years. Have had water test done and everything was low to normal except for Iron. Ph was 6.9. But it didn't get tested for phosphorus.

Maybe this will answer your questions.
 
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normal water weeds / vegitation, does not grow any deeper than 4 to 5 feet depth. sun light simply can not penetrate to that depth.

figure out were your "low water is" for the year. and then get a tape measure or like. and go out in a bout till ya find about 5 foot depth of water. anything past that point, should be ok for tossing out a "end of a hose"

with 1 acre in size 10 to 12 foot depth, run a hose out to middle of the lake. and then attach a "float" have used old propane bottles (empty) to some milk jugs filled with "close cell spray foam" great stuff red can works. you want a nylon rope. (chain, non-nlyon rope, other metals) just rust or snap or rot in a couple years. preferable a heavier duty nylon rope. (thicker rope) you want to hold the end of the hose out of the mud in the bottom by a couple feet.

you also don't want the end from swinging and moving around on you. so you also need a weight on the bottom side of the hose end. most plastic pipe will also want to float up on you. so you will need some "sand bags" and then say only fill them half full of sand. and then zip tie them or like around the hose every 10 feet or so. "expect" the sand bags to come loose or like. so nothing to costly. easier to buy some cheap stuff in weighting down the hose. so if something happens, you can drop another bag or like down on the pipe.

because of fish in pond, you will want some sort of "basket" say 2 milk crates zip tied together, over the end of the hose. the goal is to only block stuff that would cause a "clog in the hose" a little baby fish, a little rock, some mud, i could care less about. i am not about to go out in the lake and clean off hose end baskets. these baskets are simply a large strainer.

the hose that comes up and over the shore line... you are going to want to get into the ground to protect it from "frost heaving" along with protecting the hose from cattle trampling over the pipe and smashing it / cutting it. best time to do this is in drought years, so you can get out there further with a shovel.

filter will most likely be a larger "leaf basket / strainer pot" some pumps come with them built on or as an option. and some you need to buy 3rd party leaf basket pot / filter.

after the pump you will want some sort of "well tank / pressure tank" nothing fancy,

add in some valves, and that should be it for water for livestock. there should be no real need to filter water beyond that point. it would be as if, cows were out at the pond drinking directly from pond itself.

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as far as weed control in the lake. thats lake maintenance. chemicals to remove the black smelly sledge is a waste IMHO (in my humble opinion) it is like spraying some perfume after a nice healthy poo in the toilet, so ya don't hear it from others how much you stink. all they going todo is mask the problem (the pond chemicals). if you kill the weeds in the water... all it does is rot in the water which feeds the next cycle of weeds. "fertilizer is still there" even if you get in there and rake all the weeds out, the "fertlizer" / sludge is till there in bottom of the pond.

an aerater could help, and will help long term. but if lake has went ugly. you might be better off getting into the sides, and removing all the gunk build up / sludge. maybe get lucky and only a 1 foot if that deep. aerators help create a "circulating current" of water, but it takes time for bacteria, single cell microorganisms, fungus, etc... to break stuff down. you just don't snap your fingers and it happens. it may take months for stuff to balance itself out.

the areas you have control of.. "pasture area / grass / weeds" of were water comes into the pond. keep it all mowed, grass itself acts like a natural filter, to trap crud before it ends up in the pond. and hopefully reduces the food for the water weeds / vegetation.

the water vegetation / weeds is not going to harm cattle, as far as i am aware of, if they go into the pond and drink directly / eat the stuff directly from the pond.

with cow patties all over the place and around the lake. a good amount of fertilizer...is running right into the pond, to keep the water weeds going strong. the water weeds / vegetation is doing its job of trying to balance the eco system out within the pond.

white almur carp? i can never remember technical name. it is a female grass carp that has been spaded, most states have banns on all carp exception these white almur carp, that normally require some sort of permit / lisence to put in a given body of water (lake,pond, stream). your local "fish hatcheries" will be best ones to ask, due to that is most likely only place you will be able to get them legally. they do help keep the water weeds / vegetation at bay to an extent. but should not be treated as a end all solution. but more of as a "part of" an overall system.

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i hate erosion, 2 lakes here, 1 of them has for most part completely filled in. was 12 plus feet 20 plus years ago. and now most likely only 3 feet if that deep. if your neighbors are not doing there job with proper erosion control in there fields and around. then it might be time to educate yourself and them at same time. vs letting all the top soil end up in the pond.
 
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The pump and water system is in place and I am not planning any upgrades to it. I don't think you understand the scale of livestock I am watering. During the summer months I pull about 15000-16000 gallons a day out of this pond. I have 2-21x54 inch gravel filters with a special gravel for the removal of the iron. These are what are clogging up on me. Due to the high amount of algae that I am pumping in. They back flush every night. Pump is a 2" 2 hp 40 gal/min deep well pump floating on a barrel at about 3 feet. Flex line runs to PVC in bottom of the pond.
My low water line is about 6-7feet as this is as shallow as I have drawn down the pond. That was a record setting drought back in 2012. I should have dug it out then but didn't have the cash. And couldn't afford to risk having to switch everything over to county water. I figured it up and we pulled over 1.3 million gallons out without counting for evaporation that year between ditch running rains. I was nervous.
As far as weeds all I have is shore line vegetation that might go out a foot or two. It's all algae that is giving problems. Cattle are fenced out except when I need the grass around the pond. They have only been in pond lot once this year and last year. There is atleast a 20 foot buffer to pastures.
What I am wanting is to kill the algae in the pond and not in my filters. Some said karmex the problem with that is it doesn't have a label for aquatic use. Tried to find some Alum to drop the water but haven't been able to find the right rates. May have over looked it to.
 
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The pump and water system is in place and I am not planning any upgrades to it. I don't think you understand the scale of livestock I am watering. During the summer months I pull about 15000-16000 gallons a day out of this pond. I have 2-21x54 inch gravel filters with a special gravel for the removal of the iron. These are what are clogging up on me. Due to the high amount of algae that I am pumping in. They back flush every night. Pump is a 2" 2 hp 40 gal/min deep well pump floating on a barrel at about 3 feet. Flex line runs to PVC in bottom of the pond.
My low water line is about 6-7feet as this is as shallow as I have drawn down the pond. That was a record setting drought back in 2012. I should have dug it out then but didn't have the cash. And couldn't afford to risk having to switch everything over to county water. I figured it up and we pulled over 1.3 million gallons out without counting for evaporation that year between ditch running rains. I was nervous.
As far as weeds all I have is shore line vegetation that might go out a foot or two. It's all algae that is giving problems. Cattle are fenced out except when I need the grass around the pond. They have only been in pond lot once this year and last year. There is atleast a 20 foot buffer to pastures.
What I am wanting is to kill the algae in the pond and not in my filters. Some said karmex the problem with that is it doesn't have a label for aquatic use. Tried to find some Alum to drop the water but haven't been able to find the right rates. May have over looked it to.

google "55 gallon sand and gravel filter www.koiphen.com" without quotes.
these filters are much like a sand filter you might find on a swimming pool. they are a fines filter. "remove extremely small stuff" stuff that human eye may not be able to see without needing a magnify glass or like.
these are up flow filters, were you pump water in the bottom, and the water comes out the top. you use an air blower, (say from a hot tub), possibly a shop vac, or leaf blower pending on power. the air goes into some pipes in bottom of the drum, that disperses the air. causing the sand to fluidize. the filters are fairly cheap to make, compared to other filters out there on market. i want to say they can handle about 1500 GPH (gallons per hour) MAX give or take some. meaning you may need to run 2 drums in parallel setup. to handle your 2" pump. though with you running directly from pond to watering live stock, it might be worth while to set say 4 55 gallon sand and gravel filters and run in parallel with each other, to lower the GPH going through each of them for more retention time.

google "trickle tower www.koiphen.com"
variety of DIY to manufactured units out there. they aerate the water better and allow for much more off gassing of the water / chemicals in the water.

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if you bought say 500 gallon tank or bigger, or even built a small liner pond, say 2000 to 3000 gallons. and pumped water from pond to (tank or small liner pond) and then ran a pump that circulated the water just in the tank / small liner pond. through the above filters. you will more likely gain a bigger filtration capacity, vs trying to rely on filtration that only works when you are using the water.
other words you are not treating the entire mud/clay pond water, but only the water you actually use.

setting up the tank or small liner pond, more like a settling chamber, a settling chamber, lets larger heavier solids to sink out to the bottom. would give you a tad bit more filtration ability.

moving from the mud/clay pond to a tank/smaller liner pond. should help you reduce overall chemical expense as well. you are only treating what you are using, and not the entire mud/clay pond. were majority of your chemicals more likely getting used up quickly, on everything, (fish, bacteria, sludge in bottom, fungus, single cell organisms, etc...)

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others words, yes i am off my rocker and a bit looney to! i am more familiar with backyard liner ponds, for koi / goldfish. along with the filtration used on them, more DIY route vs store bought filtration. majority of these filtration setups, are geared to be ran 24/7 365 days a year. and they are made to be min hassle, and ease of cleaning.

your store bought filtration, are going to be a "bead filter" much like a sand pressurized filter you might find on a swimming pool, but use beads instead of sand, bead filters can be a fines filter, but are more geared towards ammonia,nitrite,nitrate conversion. which most likely would be of little use to you. exception they don't clog up as quickly vs a sand filter.

sieve, helps remove larger size muck / debris, it acts like a settling chamber, but much smaller, helps to remove sticks, larger size fish poo, etc... most likely not worth it for you.

ozone, injection, (variety of filters out there), it really not advised, to inject ozone directly into water, that will be drank. and you would want retention time, to let the ozone to disperse and break down. other words you would setup your ozone pump, and mixer, and tester, to a small liner pond. and with the small liner pond constantly circulating water. it would help reduce any chance of ozone getting to high. again your not treating the entire mud/clay pond, only water you use, and you are not treating water as you use it, but are temporarily storing the water and constantly filtering / circulating the water in a smaller liner pond. to bring up your filtration capacity.

if your water needs to be sterilized, ozone could do it, you also have option of UV "ultra violet" light. and placed on this small liner pond.

anything that = foam pads = forget about it, to much time cleaning.

aeration = a mighty weapon, in cleaning filer media, when filters a

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there are some chemicals out there, that act like "ughs been to long" attractant. example koi clay, if memory serves it is a grounded up powder like bentonite clay (spelling). the clay attracts stuff kinda like a magnet would metal shavings, and forms bigger clumps, these bigger clumps, allow filters to catch and hold these clumps, and in that remove stuff from the water.

PP (potassium preganant) (spelling) been way to long, is more of a disinfectant, or killer of algae, pending on dosage used. trying to treat the mud/clay pond. would be rather expensive, and most likely most of it would be used up instantly, pumping water first to a small liner pond, would reduce overall cost, and more likely make the PP more stronger in a sense, and only treating what needs to be treated.

if you are needing to chlorinate (bleach, or like) dumping this stuff in the mud/clay pond, could possibly cause a massive fish kill. pumping water to a small liner pond. and circulating the water and aerating the water in the small liner pond. you could up the dosage a bit perhaps, as long as you gave things enough time to circulate within the small liner pond (retention time), before sending it off to the live stock.

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1000's of ways going about filtration, i am curious what does and does not make sense to you with above post. you know your issue better than anyone else. and i am sure you have read up on things, so. wait and see approach on how you respond and go from there.
 
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Never meant to make you think you was off your rocker. I was just trying to make sure you understood the amount of water flow. I had actually thought about a retention tank only my system was going to be two tanks that switched to allow more kill and settling time. I know it would be complicated to do or else I would have to have a really large tank. But that is still a few years out.
I am really looking to use the pond as the settling tank. It doesn't have to be clear water as that isn't healthy for the pond but clear enough to get me through a day without additional regeneration cycles. The fish are the least of my worries. I mean I pulled almost 2/3 of the water out of this thing two years ago and will do it again next year if needed.
If I could find a product that worked I would reapply as often as needed or could by label.

Would lowering the pump help any?
 
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gravity flow to retention liner pond / retention tank.
the liner pond. sets at same level of mud/clay pond.

if gravity flow of water is a no go, there would be need for a second pump, to pump water between mud/clay pond to liner pond/tank.

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if it was me, i would forget trying to treat the entire mud/clay pond.

hop over to Pond Construction and Filtration (pond and construction sub forum) were the pro's are, and a good amount of DIY doings are there both for filters and liner ponds themselves. it takes some time, but read through some of the folks pond build threads. to get a grasp of filtration and DIY routes.

i am trying to get ya read up on DIY back yard koi/goldfish ponds, due to majority of the info and how to's and reasoning, can be picked up by going through other folks pond build threads. yes i realize you have different set of circumstances and what you are trying to achieve. but to me, it is pretty much same thing, different story. due to same like pipes, pumps, filters, etc... will most likely come up as an option, of how you want to deal with the iron issues. along with sediment issues. and chemical issues.

a tip: when over on that forum click "views" and "replies" at the top of the "pond and construction" forum. to sort all the threads by amount of views/replies. also go through some of the "sticky's" to much info has been typed up, and said better, than what i could in this thread. again trying to push ya through DIY route. granted you may still go store bought stuff, but for learning wise, DIY route is preferred.

and yes i am trying to push you away from chemicals. and going with a liner pond / retention tank. it may cost a little more up front, but long term your price should drastically be reduced.
and i am also going to push for ya to learn about "water currents" within a pond, and how some currents = bad, while others = very good.

i encourage you to figure out a plan, and post it, and let folks there tear it apart, it can be rather harsh doing this, but generally it helps save you a lot of extra cash long term, and saves you from making same mistakes other folks have made. you might find out setting up a liner pond / retention tank or tanks. will not cost as much as you would of thought about, or it might show up as a very high dollar figure. but your really won't know till ya get the fundamentals figured out. and have some sort of plan. hence the above paragraphs. other words i am not going to give you the quick and easy route *arghs*

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lowering pump as in physically lowering pump itself. would only help with priming issues. granted most pumps do not "suck" that well. and most pumps prefer to push water vs sucking water. but at this moment in time, it would be a waste of time / cash / resources, dealing with the pump. till ya have a better plan of attack.
 
 
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