Police officers view on Semi-auto guns

[MikePA]

I have a fundamental problem with the suggestion that a police officer's opinion of my right to bear arms is somehow more important than anyone else's. Just exactly why is that so? How did a nation of free citizens come to annoint law enforcement officers as the duty experts on our rights? I'm sorry if I sound cynical, but I just don't understand why this individual's opinion has any more merit than your or mine. I'm just curious why so many are so quick to defer to "law enforcement" on matters that are clearly outside their area of expertise.

The answer is simple and it's got nothing to do with ''annointing' nor 'deferring'. No one has done that and the fact you think people have says more about you than others.

Proponents of the so called Assault Weapons Ban often claim it's to protect law enforcement hence the 'merit' of an opinion of someone in law enforcements.

It's no more complicated than that. No black helicopters, no annointing has taken place, no polemic on the role of law enforcement needed nor the accusation that people are deferring to someone in law enforcement.

 

[RayH]

I didn't watch the video, nor do I intend to. The suggestion that I should leads me to the question of why? I have a fundamental problem with the suggestion that a police officer's opinion of my right to bear arms is somehow more important than anyone else's. Just exactly why is that so? How did a nation of free citizens come to annoint law enforcement officers as the duty experts on our rights? I'm sorry if I sound cynical, but I just don't understand why this individual's opinion has any more merit than your or mine. Judging from the responses to this thread, I'd guess that his opinion is pro-second amendment, but to me it doesn't matter. I'm just curious why so many are so quick to defer to "law enforcement" on matters that are clearly outside their area of expertise. If you must, then quote a lawyer, at least he has a bit of expertise in the matter, but why a police officer?

You should watch the video before commenting on it. The topic of the thread is slightly misleading. Actually the video had little to do with being pro or con on gun control or the second amendment. It is more of a video to educate the public and politicians on the types of weapons that are actually effected by the gun control laws. The law enforcement officer is getting Kudos from everyone not because of his feelings on gun control but because he is standing up and educating the public on what some of the laws actually mean and the guns that are effected. Maybe you dont care, maybe you do, but if you are going to comment, please, at least try to gain an understanding of the subject.

Ok, with that out of the way, I agree with you. Police officers are not there to make the laws, only to enforce the laws that someone else made, and in a perfect world, they should have no opinion about the laws that they enforce. A babysitter of sorts. When you leave your kids with a babysitter, you dont want the babysitter to make up a new set of rules, you want them to enforce the ones that you made up. This is not a perfect world.
Theres no doubt I have strong opinions on gun control, police control, government control and world control. Like most people, my feelings often conflict so its hard to speak rationally about them. I believe that police officers are not law makers but should use judgement in enforcing, I believe that the U.S. government should be stronger and exibit force and strength against enemies foreign and domestic but should never become stronger than its civilian population. Try to explain this to people and its easy to get backed into a corner. this is why these subjects get debated to death and never get solved.

 

[tommu56]

I havent seen a gun commit a crime by it self yet!
The Idiot behind the gun commits the crime not the gun!
Do the crime with a gun do the time!


tommu56

 

[johnk]

Tommu56,

Nicely put. Do the crime with the gun do the time. Amen...

 

[CDsdad]

I havent seen a gun commit a crime by it self yet!
The Idiot behind the gun commits the crime not the gun!
Do the crime with a gun do the time!
tommu56

Well said.

I not only think that the government does not have the right to regulate firearms, they don't even have the right to know what firearms I own. That being said, I do have registered firearms. SOME registered firearms. I'm too hardcore and anti-political (read dislike politicians) to say anymore, I'll get in trouble.

 

[goodoleboy]

There are LEO's out there who have a big difference of opinion from that of the officer in the video. Not saying who is right or wrong, just a fact.

Laws change.

Half the people who own guns in the U.S shouldn't because you have some real big idiots out there that can hardly read the application form, and think that a Miller and Remington go together (not all, not even the majority, but you need to weed them out).

That said, no way in heck could you get me to move back to New York, Maryland, Mass or Kalifornia. What I call the **** states. In those states you don't have idiots who apply for guns, they run the state instead (IMO).

By the way, per another post here pertaining to magazines, you want to stock up on the 30's, not the 10's.

I agree that LE some dont like guns no problem..But they dont call the shots,but they do have an influence politicians use such the "law enforcment protection act"

 

[goodoleboy]

My response was to "terrorists showing up in a neighborhood", but I guess you're right if the mode of transport they use to show up in your neighborhood in is also loaded with legal concealed carries, it would make a difference, but I doubt that my little 22 or my 12Ga. will make a difference when they show up with a dirty bomb, and I doubt that they will stop any govt agency that decides they want to take them, they have some pretty wicked smart bombs themselves, but if they make someone feel invincible, oh well...........

Hey If they set off a dirty bomb and there is no food or water to eat you will need protection from the idiots who will try to steal your resources food,etc..Hurricane Katrina is a perfect example of what would happen after a terrorist attack that goverment could not handle.

A man with a hungry and dying family will resort to killing you to save his family.I dont know a man that would roll over and just watch his family starve to death.

 

[goodoleboy]

I havent seen a gun commit a crime by it self yet!
The Idiot behind the gun commits the crime not the gun!
Do the crime with a gun do the time!


tommu56

There is a Live video link that been running for a few months with a video camera just focused on an AR15..I guess it is showing that gun does not kill, its people like you said..Ill find the link and post it later.

 

[milkman]

Hey If they set off a dirty bomb and there is no food or water to eat you will need protection from the idiots who will try to steal your resources food,etc..Hurricane Katrina is a perfect example of what would happen after a terrorist attack that goverment could not handle.

A man with a hungry and dying family will resort to killing you to save his family.I dont know a man that would roll over and just watch his family starve to death.

I am not terrorized and it's not because of my little pop guns and in a scenerio you described, I wouldn't roll over and let his family starve to death either.

 

[Podunkadunk]

I hope that this is not in any violation of posting rules, and as Sandman said "I know I am preaching to the choir" but I would strongly urge any of you who are not already members of the NRA to join as soon as possible. It is a small price to pay to help protect our 2nd Amendment rights.

Here here! With 5 pages of posts, there isn't much I can say that will be "new", but I can re-iterate what some have said.

-If not an NRA member, please join. I don't get kickbacks, but you and I will both benefit from the NRA's lobbyist in legislature and it's watchdog functions. The money for your membership does so much good for your 2nd amendment RIGHT to bear arms! I knew of HR 1022 within minutes of it hitting the floor as a bill, just prior to it going to the judiciary committee. I emailed every firearm owner/operator I knew regarding.

-HR 1022 won't pass...at least not this round. Nobody co-sponsored HR 1022 with Carolyn McCarthy of NY...in other words, it's too early in the Demoncratical scheme/agenda to wage such a brutal attack on firearms. Like someone said before, this bill makes the billy-bob clinton (note no capitalization) assault weapon ban of '94 look like an elementary school water pistol fight.

-If you don't have a concealed weapons permit for your state...APPLY. I have a gut feeling that the liberals will attack these next. Basically, I feel that if you don't have one after they make a law against them, you won't ever get one. It's better to be "grandfathered" in that to not ever be able to obtain this priviledge of self preservation. There are many sites on the web that can help in your research for your particular state. One of my personal fav's is: legallyarmed.org | Concealed Weapons Information & News

-If you don't own an AR-15 or other semi-automatic weapon in the "proposed to be banned category" and you have always wanted one...buy it NOW. Also, buy several magazines in the 10+ category. This is just a precaution in case by some slim chance HR 1022 makes it to vote. Of course, Bush jr. will veto it, but in a couple years we'll have either billary or Obama bin barrackin in the oval office (god forbid), but it could happen. Here's my point: As soon as gun shops feel they can raise prices to go with the "scare" of this bill...they will. An AR-15 that will now cost between 700.00 and $1500.00, could go to double that amount. Be forewarned. The same goes for magazines and ammo.

-You can order ammo online right now, all you want...cases and cases with no questions...just think of what would happen if the liberals get their way to illegalize internet ammo buying!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm on my soapbox again, I'll drink a nice tall glass of shut the **** up now. Thanks for listening.

DieselPower,
I have CCW permits for Florida and Alabama. Does this help any for getting an ATF license "tax stamp" to buy and possess automatic weapons? I would definitely like to know more regarding. Thanks.

-Podunk