Poison Oak and Global Warming

[Tig]

N80 my friend, I smell a conspiracy. I'm a little late now that this thread has gone off on a GW tangent but from what I can find there is no GW/poison oak report about this years crop. I fear you have been set up for some well deserved chain pulling on the subject of GW. Hats off to the conspirators. Trust no one.

 

[cp1969]

There are so many things that people have bought into, lock, stock and barrel without ever thinking about it. It isn't just global warming, although that is the one most evident right now.

What about the notion that 'you can't live without health insurance?' I heard the most preposterous notion on Sean Hannity today. It went like this:

People should have 'medical savings accounts' into which they (and their employer, presuming they have one and said employer can be shaken down) deposit money to be used for medical expenses. The individuals would control where and how the money is spent.

Think about it: People....spending their own money.....on their own medical expenses. Let the concept soak in.

This is what we were doing 150 years ago before some nitwit conceived the notion that our health could be insured, and in the process, he could enrich himself by convincing us that there is almost a certainty that each of us will face above average medical costs at some point in our lives and therefore come out ahead by buying insurance.

You want a mathematical impossibility? There's one.

Sorry for the side trip away from Global Warming-Fueled Big Ivy but I just wanted to point out another illogical concept that most people accept without ever thinking about it.

 

[Skyco]

So you mean the 150 years ago where the average male died at what? Something like 45-50 years old...no thanks I'll take the medical system we have now

As for matematical impossibilities - I love the one where 75% of drivers say they are better than average

As for poison ivy in the year 2050- I'd be simply delighted if I make it that long to see it

 

[IH3444]

Very possible Skyco, just have the GW computer modelers, model your lifespan. You'll be living to the ripe old age of 300!

 

[EddieWalker]

1934 was found to be the hottest year on record, not 1998, or 2004.

I wasn't sure what the hottest year was, but knew that in the thirties, it was very, very hot out. The famous dust bowl years, record breaking droughts and failed crops. Every night, my wife and I watch the local news report and weather forecast. Almost every night, the record high tempature is in the thirties. It's kind of a joke that we laugh about, and so far this year, we've only noticed twice when the record high temp was not in the 30's.

Does anybody know of a graph or chart that shows what the average tempature was for a given year? The GW crowd says the average planetary tempature has increased almost one degree celcius in the last hundred years. If we take out the 1930's from that equation, I wonder if the increase is still there?

If we are to believe that man is the cause of Global Warming, then it's pretty obvious that every decade should be warming then the last. More people, more fuel consumption and more damaging stuff going into the atmosphere. What is the change of the planets tempature in the last fifty years? If we take out the 1930's and only go back fifty or sixty years, did the planet warm up at all during all the most drastic change in human development and expansion?

Maybe the huge Global Waming increases from the 1930's was from the sun and the planets tempature changes naturally, regardless of what we've done. Of course, with the development of prop planes in the teens and twenties, that might have been the cause of Global Warming back then?

Eddie

 

[cp1969]

So you mean the 150 years ago where the average male died at what? Something like 45-50 years old...no thanks I'll take the medical system we have now.

See what I mean?

Don't equate the medical system with the health insurance system.

They are not the same thing.

 

[Oleozz]

Well when I saw the story I believed it because the poison ivy is as bad on my farm this year as I've ever seen it!

 

[Skyco]

Originally Posted by Skyco
So you mean the 150 years ago where the average male died at what? Something like 45-50 years old...no thanks I'll take the medical system we have now.

See what I mean?

Don't equate the medical system with the health insurance system.

They are not the same thing.

Nowhere did I equate the medical system with the insurance system

 

[cp1969]

Then what did you say?

What does life expectancy have to do with insurance?

 

[N80]

I'm a little late now that this thread has gone off on a GW tangent but from what I can find there is no GW/poison oak report about this years crop. I fear you have been set up for some well deserved chain pulling on the subject of GW. Hats off to the conspirators. Trust no one.

I think you must have skipped some of the thread. That was my whole point. The study, which was spurious to begin with, said nothing about the effect of GW on poison ivy right now. The even more spurious and deceitful headlines did suggest it. My point was that people who reported on the story or skimmed over it came to the wrong conclusions. The real catch is that is exactly what the 'scientists' (and I use that term loosely) and the media (I say that word as if it tasted like pooh) wanted the study to do. And the sheep followed.

 

[IH3444]

The Wrong Fire

 

[dmccarty]

That was interesting.

Some years ago there was an article in Car and Driver about car emissions and CA. CA was going to pass and I'm sure did pass strict emission requirements that would have cost quite a bit of money. But if one looked at which cars drove the pollution, pun intended, it was the old cars on the road. Not new ones. It would have been cheaper to pay the owners of the older cars from 70s to junk 'em and buy newer used/new cars to lower emissions.

Later,
Dan

 

[RedRocker]

Originally Posted by Skyco
So you mean the 150 years ago where the average male died at what? Something like 45-50 years old...no thanks I'll take the medical system we have now.





Nowhere did I equate the medical system with the insurance system

You had me fooled, 1969 is talking about insurance and you're talking about the medical system..."I'll take the medical system we have now". Me too, but I think we'd be better off with the Feds out of the medical business.

 

[Spiveyman]

I know it has absolutely nothing to do with GW, but I just took a strole through some woods on my farm. I have a very mature forest back there, White Oaks 3' wide, and a full carpet of poison ivy. I walked about 10 acres into the woods, solid ivy from one side to the other. Kind of freaky, it's never been like that before... (I need a sound effect here to make it eerie)

 

[The Haymaker]

"I think it's more of a blame somebody, anybody, mentality then anything else. People get a rash from poisong oak, so they look for somebody else to blame for it besides themselves."

Thus the reason I call it the "global warming religion". I see amazing similarities!

 

[RobertBrown]

Did anyone hear or read the report that the poison oak and poison ivy crop was more lush this year due to global warming? I did not see the report but had several people mention it to me. They thought it was idiotic....which I did also. We had a good laugh and I didn't think about it for a while.

Then, I had several people come into my office with contact dermatitis typical of posion oak or ivy. They'd been exposed to it in their yards. Each one of these folks mentioned that they felt like global warming was the reason they had gotten poison oak. Each time I waited for a smile or punch line, but there was none. These were educated middle class people and to them it made perfect sense that global warming (which they obviosly felt to be as real as gravity) was responsible for the excess poison oak the resulted in their rash.


I'm not really here to debate posion ivy growth either. My point is that the American public is as gullible and suggestable as any marketing department could want them to be. Put it on the radio, the TV or the internet and they'll buy. It is just staggering to me how serious these patients were. They've heard about global warming on TV....so it must be true. Then they heard on TV that the global warming was making poison oak grow more...so it must be true. It is just a small mental leap to go from those two points of info to realize how bad global warming already was in their own back yards and itchy hides. Unfortunately that small mental leap was the only mental exercise they are willing to bring to the table.

How can this nation remain great when its middle class (and I consider myself one of them...middle class that is) is so stupid and soft? It makes me want to sob. Seriously.

(For a point of reference, when I say middle class I'm not necessarily talking about household income. I'm talking about those of us considerably above the poverty line with decent incomes and educations but who are not amongst the very wealthy or powerful.)

I've heard absolutley nothing of this.
A "few people" come into your office with a rash and say "global warming" and now you are making assertions about the nation's middle class?
Your a genius and everybody else is an idiot!
Congratualtions!
Feel better?

 

[Taylortractornut]

Its like my bumper sticker on my dump truck. Stop global whining. I used to read Mother earth News magazine and buy back issues for articles. Every one ive seen lately has global whining about global warming. Every other article blames global warming for every thing.