PO'd at police

[Hooked_on_HP]

The excuse for my seatbelt not being on was I went to the drive up window at the bank and had to get my wallet out . I unhooked the seat belt to get to my wallet and forgot to rehook it. I'm not mad about the seat belt ticket.Just the no proof of insurance. I had 12 insurance cards in the truck covering the last 6 years from the same insurance company. It's bizzare that I can ride my motorcycle without a helment or leathers but cant drive my dually without a seatbelt. I normally wear my seatbelt,
Bill

 

[archerm3]

I can sympathize with you being upset. But upset at yourself. Why didn't you put the seatbelt on? Don't you know better? If that had been on then you would not have been stopped, wouldn't be going to court for anything and no time wasted.

That said. I am against the seat belt law. It's just a revenue raising move by government.

Also, I always wear my seat belt because I feel nekked without it. :ashamed:

Having enough cops on the beat isn't free.

Personally I'm glad its the guys breaking the law that are funding them rather than me.

On the insurance card issue, some states have a database that your insurance company will update and the cops have access to..other's don't have that I assume. Bottom line is a little attention to detail would have found you having your insurance card on hand. Not the cops fault. I almost had the same problem about a month ago, but luckily i had found the current year insurance card...though i did get a ticket for not having a front plate. No anger from me, I did it and I did it intentially and I paid the fine with a smile on my face and without holes in my front bumper.

 

[Hawghauler]

Law enforcement should be just that. It doesn't mean some government paid weeny should issue fines for laws we didn't ask for. If he had told you to buckle up and make sure you have your updated card he would have been enforcing the law. If he was worried about you being in danger to your self or your lack of insurance card was a danger to me, why did he let you drive away? Our government has incrementally neutered our populace to where now many of us think it is okay for them to bully and control every aspect of our life, family, morals, pursuit of happiness, etc. As long as it is for "our own good" they can control us? Stop worrying about my helmet and protect our borders. Some of us will die if we are stupid, simple as that. Stupid should hurt. The only difference between a government worker and a welfare recepient is the number of paid days off. Both suck the blood from my toils and give me a very very poor return for my investment. A government worker can't be fired and gets paid their entire life for doing a mediocre job until they are 65 unless they get early dissability, and many do. I know there are hard working government workers, and some may add actual value, but mostly we the tax payers get a terrible return on our investment. All that said.......I thank God we don't get as much goverment as we pay for. Fight the ticket and make them prove you did something wrong.

 

[niemeyjt]

Then it's ok with you if law makers tell you what to eat and drink, and what sports or other activities you can do, as long as it's in the name of saving hospital space?

Nope - it is all about whether one's actions only affect oneself or whether they affect others.

Seatbelts - do you have them in the back of US vehicles? Here we do, and they have to be worn as well. Why? In an accident an unrestrained rear seat passenger can kill the front seat passenger. What is more important - the right of the rear seat passenger not to wear a belt or the right of the front seat passenger to life.

Someone suggested that insurance should be invalidated and an unbelted passenger left to their own devices. Well, that isn't going to happen - so instead the victim goes to hospital and deprives someone else of a bed / treatment.

J

 

[kenstrac]

OK in NH you don't need a seat belt or helmet we also do not require insurance unless you have a bad driving record so what happens if I did not have proof of insurance in your state.
BTW I do have insurance!

 

[kidr]

Nope - it is all about whether one's actions only affect oneself or whether they affect others.

Seatbelts - do you have them in the back of US vehicles? Here we do, and they have to be worn as well. Why? In an accident an unrestrained rear seat passenger can kill the front seat passenger. What is more important - the right of the rear seat passenger not to wear a belt or the right of the front seat passenger to life.

Someone suggested that insurance should be invalidated and an unbelted passenger left to their own devices. Well, that isn't going to happen - so instead the victim goes to hospital and deprives someone else of a bed / treatment.

J

So let's say you stuff your face with cream puffs and get a heart attack . You end up taking a hospital bed. Didn't your actions affect another? Why then wouldn't you want laws to limit what and how much you eat? Personally I think that cop could have saved more lives by targeting tail gaters.

 

[dave1949]

So let's say you stuff your face with cream puffs and get a heart attack . You end up taking a hospital bed. Didn't your actions affect another? Why then wouldn't you want laws to limit what and how much you eat? Personally I think that cop could have saved more lives by targeting tail gaters.

Noooo don't take away my cream puffs

Tailgating is another whole topic. I would think a LEO in an unmarked compact car could cite 10 tailgaters before lunch any day of the week. They could also clean up the sloppy driving I see all the time. Rounding the inside of a blind curve with their driver side wheels 2' into the oncoming lane, for example.

The only accident I've been involved in for many years was being rear-ended while stopped at a crosswalk. The other driver had been tail gating me for the past 4 miles coming into town on a snowy, slippery day. He had an up to date insurance card :laughing::laughing:
Dave.

 

[Duffster]

So let's say you stuff your face with cream puffs and get a heart attack . You end up taking a hospital bed. Didn't your actions affect another? Why then wouldn't you want laws to limit what and how much you eat? Personally I think that cop could have saved more lives by targeting tail gaters.

Those laws are coming.

 

[ElDorado]

I think it's OK to eliminate seat belt laws, but if you are injured while not wearing a seat belt, then no insurance should cover you injuries. Why should society pay for the extra risk that you are taking? The more insurance we have the more laws will be passed to control you.. Or you could get the higher cost insurance that would cover you if you are not wearing a seat belt. The free market system can work, but most people do not want to pay the cost. They want others to pay the cost.

I have been in this argument many times. Seat belt laws are there to protect society of the burden of paying for a persons bad decision, correct? My response then is, what about unprotected ***? The result of this poor decision can be sexually transmitted disease and unwanted pregnancy. Both of these outcomes cost society way more than people being injured in motor vehicle accidents not wearing seatbelts!!!!!

If we are going to have "protect society from the burden" laws should we have mandatory condom laws? Really, I am serious. Each time I say this no one has a response.

The seat belt law has NOTHING to do with protecting society from dumbies. It has EVERYTHING to do with "probable cause" and revenue!!!!

By the way I feel wearing a seat belt is the safe thing to do. How many TBNers wear the seatbelt while on their tractors? That is also the safe thing to do.

 

[/pine]

The cop was probably one of those typical type that always got picked on when they were a kid...They become cops to get back at society...

 

[Big Bri]

My wife got a ticket about a 2 months ago, 48 in a 35. She wrote a letter to the DA and said that she knows she was speeding, and there was no excuse for it, but ask if they would turn it into a non moving violation to keep our insurance from going up. She got a letter back from the DA saying that because of her driving record (no tickets for at least 7 years) he was going to give her a pass. . . no fines at all:thumbsup:

i too don't where my seat belt all the time, mostly in town. I have gotten numerous seat belt tickets and have paid them all, wife says i should just put the belt on but i feel its my "right" not to ware it. Any way i too got a no insurance ticket on one of those stops, because i didn't have the new card in my truck. I just went home, got the new card and drive to the DA office and showed him the card and handed him the ticket, he revoked the ticket on the spot.

Good luck

 

[deepNdirt]

The cop was probably one of those typical type that always got picked on when they were a kid...They become cops to get back at society...

don't forget the part where they like wearing their Bullet proof vest because it makes them look Buff :thumbsup:

 

[Pops15]

I have been in this argument many times. Seat belt laws are there to protect society of the burden of paying for a persons bad decision, correct? My response then is, what about unprotected ***? The result of this poor decision can be sexually transmitted disease and unwanted pregnancy. Both of these outcomes cost society way more than people being injured in motor vehicle accidents not wearing seatbelts!!!!!

If we are going to have "protect society from the burden" laws should we have mandatory condom laws? Really, I am serious. Each time I say this no one has a response.

The seat belt law has NOTHING to do with protecting society from dumbies. It has EVERYTHING to do with "probable cause" and revenue!!!!

By the way I feel wearing a seat belt is the safe thing to do. How many TBNers wear the seatbelt while on their tractors? That is also the safe thing to do.

I have a response. VERY GOOD POST!!!!!!:thumbsup:

 

[tallyho8]

don't forget the part where they like wearing their Bullet proof vest because it makes them look Buff :thumbsup:

I have to disagree with this statement. We have a very fine deputy who might be dead now if he hadn't been wearing his vest while arresting a train robber who killed the conductor.

Yes, they do still have train robberies in New Orleans.

Suspect in murder of CSX train conductor arrested in shooting of JPSO deputy | NOLA.com

 

[deepNdirt]

I have to disagree with this statement. We have a very fine deputy who might be dead now if he hadn't been wearing his vest while arresting a train robber who killed the conductor.

Yes, they do still have train robberies in New Orleans.

Suspect in murder of CSX train conductor arrested in shooting of JPSO deputy | NOLA.com

OK...your right! I retract and re-word this coment......
I should have said to make them feel Bulletproof.

 

[Hooked_on_HP]

Wouldn't it have been easier for the cop to write me a warning ticket for the insurance card and if I didn't have it the next day then issue me a citation? This is a small town with a population of 5000. I work 1 block from the police station and go buy it every morning for the last 23yrs. The old saying was" to protect and serve". the new slogan should say TO GENERATE REVENUE
Bill

 

[Artimus]

Man, brutal responses.

While I agree that you were in the wrong, he could've let the insurance thing slide. I have shown cops my insurance card before that was expired and they let it go. It seems like everytime I turn around I have a new insurance card in the mail. I know I don't always have the current one.

In this day and age I don't see why your proof of insurance is not verified online by the cop in the car.

A good amount of people who claim to have insurance but no proof do not. If the officer would have let him go and he had a wreck down the road and no insurance, it would have been his butt. We all want law enforcement to do their job and ticket the other guy but not us. What if someonee the cops let go for no insurance then hit you? What would you say about his lenienncy then? If he has insurance the case will be dropped. If he doesn't then he is finded as he should be, no harm no foul.

 

[brin]

Just a couple of comments...First the Cop needed to write some tickets and he did and they were numbers..he was making his numbers. They were not good tickets....you showed him your previous insurance card and explained , he could have and should have given you a warning and a pass and cautioned you to wear your seat belt and you would have appreciated it and been on your way., Instead he got his numbers for the day ( Police slang ) and cost you a day of work and some money for the seat belt fine.

Next...before seat belts were required, I had a fried who wrapped his oldsmobile around a phone pole and it was on the drivers side..If he had been wearing a seat belt he would have been held in place and crushed. Seat belts should be optional..the government intrudes into too much of our lives. I'm done now.

 

[two_bit_score]

Starting 1 July 2010, in Virginia it will be taxation by cops. What were once minor traffic violations will now be wreckless driving with huge increases in court cost and fines.

mark

Our government seeks to pick our pockets in any way possible. Trumping up traffic fines is one of their favorite ways to do so. Everyone can find some validity or societial benefit from almost any law on the books. The question we have to ask is 'is it really necessary?'.

Motorcyclists and bicyclists don't have seat belts to worry about. Like I said I wear the seat belt but recognize that the government telling me to is just so that they can pick my pocket if I don't. This also makes me distrust the government quite a bit on other things.

I'd a whole lot rather the cops be out trying to solve some real crimes than harrassing people about seat belts.

 

[brin]

A good amount of people who claim to have insurance but no proof do not. If the officer would have let him go and he had a wreck down the road and no insurance, it would have been his butt. We all want law enforcement to do their job and ticket the other guy but not us. What if someonee the cops let go for no insurance then hit you? What would you say about his lenienncy then? If he has insurance the case will be dropped. If he doesn't then he is finded as he should be, no harm no foul.

The Cop still allowed him to drive away...How about that..so if he indeed did not have insurance, nothing was accomplished that a warning would not have done. If the Cop really wanted to enforce the law and protect the public he would have either called to verify or followed the OP home so he could show his proof of insurance but this cop wanted to write a ticket and he did.