Pit Bull Kills Another Kid

[LMTC]

You can own whatever dog you want. I don't see the comparison to guns as anything but silly. We all know that guns do not act independent of an operator. You can brand me any label you want. But when the border collie down the road, or the beagle next door get loose and end up on my place and display their typical affectionate submissive behavior I'm going to just call the owner and tell them the dog is loose. When any dog of any appearance acts agressively on my place I will take action...swift and terminal. And yes, certain breeds, whether pure or partial, get no chance to display behavior. Let the owner take accountability.

HERE & HERE for some statistics

Are all animals potentially dangerous? Of course. Do some breeds, whether pure or partial, have a higher incidence of attack? Yep. Sure do. I have been attacked by a Doberman (while walking), a Rottweiler (while in the car), and a pack of four dogs being led by a dog appearing to be a pit bull (while hunting...their mistake). I didn't really care if it was Cinderella in disguise....it could have looked like the most cuddly critter one can imagine and I still would have taken action based on the behavior. Only the Doberman lived a full life, and that because the owner was a good friend & was able to call him off before skin was broken and chained him. Our agreement to postpone legal action involved that dog never leaving the owner's property (other than trips to the vet); to my knowledge it did not, and I would have dispatched it immediately had it appeared on my place.

You don't know what Bird would do if his dog got loose and bit someone. Are you now in the business of prophesying?

 

[Sigarms]

You don't know what Bird would do if his dog got loose and bit someone. Are you now in the business of prophesying?

If the question is directed at me, the answer is no.

Per Birds own comments, if I were at Birds house and his dog bit me unprovoked, I'd expect Bird to put his dog down. Likewise, if you were at my house, and one of my dogs bit you without provocation, I'd put that dog down (again, we're talking unprovoked).

There are many variables as to why a dog may show signs of unprovoked aggression. The question is if you have the time to deal with those issues and the posibility of a lawsuit.

Bottom line, it all comes down to the owners.

You mentioned that you came across some dogs while hunting. Did you ever come across their owners?

There is a thing called being a responsible pet owner. Problem is, not too many people think of it. Heck, Bird even mentioned himself from some topic a ways back on how he was used to seeing lose dogs in rural areas. Per his own comments on that thread, it was just "normal". Personally, I don't think that is normal. A pet owner should know where his pet is, PERIOD.

As I mentioned before, there are people who have no right to have children, yet they have them. It's just as easy for a stupid person to own a dog as it is to have children (and to make matter worse, both parents are usually just as stupid, they have to be to be with one another).

My dogs stay on my property, they are my responsibility. When I find a home for the dogs in our care, I expect the same from the people looking to adopt from me.

A "breed" is created, and geuss who creates it?

Man will always be more dangerous than a dog.

Make it simple, a strange unfamiliar dog is usually always easier to figure out than a strange man.

 

[Sigarms]

You can own whatever dog you want.

We do agree on that. I'd add that since you can own any dog you want, you should know the breed, know how to use dicipline, and be responsible in owning that dog.

Likewise, I'm sure we'd agree that you can own whatever gun you like

The issue again is unresponsible owners (and not talking about just dogs).

Funny, per your statistics, the "Rottie" actually caused more deaths than the Pit Bull. Don't see many people screaming to end the Rottie's run.

One other thing to consider, the news itself and reporting. Owning guns you should at least be able to see through the lines when you read about guns and crime. Same can be said for news accounts on dog attacks. Newsworthy stories sell.

Interesting as well, the one dog I didn't see there was the Akita from the money hungry lawyer web site, which for myself, has some "territory" issues more so than a pit bull.

Ever take a statistics class? What's the first thing the professor said?

 

[Bird]

The difference between you and I Bird is if your dog bit someone, it may not do serious damage, but you'd still keep it and make an excuse as to "it's nothing serious",

Well, you're wrong again. Yes, it would not be as serious, but I wouldn't keep her and make excuses. And besides, I don't have a dog; didn't want a dog again, but my wife did, so I got her one.

 

[Sigarms]

When any dog of any appearance acts agressively on my place I will take action...swift and terminal.

On that we agree as well. I'd do the same as you. My dogs end up on your property, you can do what you want. I would however like to think that if by chance a dog does not show aggression or leaves when it sees you, you will at least try to figure out who the owner is and let them know their dog is lose.

Ever notice though how some owners just don't seem to care?

 

[Sigarms]

But even if she attacked someone, I doubt that she'd do serious damage. Can you say the same for the dogs you harbor?

You stated nothing about the actions you would take if your dog bit someone other than saying not "serious damage" would be done. How would you interpret your comment???

I like how you use the term "harbor" for the dogs in my care. Yourself being a former policeman, when did you ever use the term "harbor" as in "providing shelter"? Nice bird.

At what point will this thread be deleted? Or won't it?

What determines the "value" of the subject that one finds offensive to the point that it's deleted?

As a mod on a gun forum, one thing I don't do is discuss anything other than facts. No personal opinions whatsoever. That is the price you pay for being a mod.

Seriously Bird, since you are a monderator and I mentioned that I was offended by your comments per the thread you started, you shouldn't even respond. It could be said that your even provoking the thread to keep it going. Just looking at it from all angles.

Believe me, if I were not really PO'ed by your thread and comments, I wouldn't push it. Again, I have sent an e-mail.

 

[LMTC]

I did NOT say I came across some dogs while hunting. I said I was attacked by a "pack of four dogs being led by a dog appearing to be a pit bull". You so coldly told Bird to READ in all caps in an earlier post. I do not equate my statement with your exceedingly softened re-statement. No, I did not see any owners, and it is probably as well. The dogs came at me from probably 70-80 yards when I first saw them...barking, snarling very aggressively. I was about 10 paces from my tree stand and had not made it all the way up the ladder when the alpha hit my foot in his jump. The landowner was a close personal friend and had told me he had concerns about a pack running (he had lost some sheep). My location at the time was probably at least 500 yards from the nearest property line....maybe a good bit more. Double that from the nearest house. They continued to attempt to attack for a minute or more until someone shot the alpha. They retreated to a corn field whence I had first seen them come, and returned soon....one of the remaining three became the new alpha. This dog was larger than the first and had no particular breed appearance. Someone shot him too, then the other two.

Now...those were NOT MY statistics, there is nothing "funny" about the fact that Rottweilers cause more deaths than pit bulls in those stats, and this thread did not begin with an article about a Rottweiler killing a child. You are really playing fast and loose with the language. If it makes you feel that there is some consistency, both Rotts and pits are on my SOS list. As are chows and cougars and coyotes.

You keep talking about "unprovoked"---I haven't seen any of these "pit bull kills someone" articles where there is even a claim they were provoked. And if the dog is on someone else's property and not in the direct and complete control of the owner, woe unto the dog. No, I would not insist a person put a dog down if someone pokes it repeatedly and it bites--assuming it is on the owner's property. That doesn't seem to be the case in the attacks I have read.

Ever take a statistics class? What's the first thing the professor said?

So what is the point of this? I did take one and the first thing the Prof said was that this was not going to be a piece of cake course despite what many people seemed to think. So how does that fit into this discussion? Ohhhh, I get it....you were trying to imply something without actually having to explain yourself...so you sought to make a point by demeaning statistics in general.

the money hungry lawyer web site

Wow, you don't have any biases, do you? Was it moneyhungrylawyer.com, or did you just make that up yourself? And you work without pay, is that correct?

I am done. Have whatever opinion you like. I won't continue to engage in a discussion where the response is continually laced with mis-statement (see above for at least two solid examples of mis-stating what I had said) and sarcasm (see above for two examples of this as well).

Oh, get off the offended routine.

 

[Sigarms]

I have been attacked by a Doberman (while walking), a Rottweiler (while in the car), and a pack of four dogs being led by a dog appearing to be a pit bull (while hunting...their mistake).

You stated that they attacked you while hunting. I'm assuming they came across you when you where out in the woods? Or did they sneak up on you in your car?

I asked if you ever found their owners? I guess the answer is no.

Apologies, I hunt on my own land. I come across a domesticated pet of some sort in the woods, it most likely belongs to someone around me (six neighbors around me own about 700 acres, some of which is subdivided for relatives).

 

[Sigarms]

You keep talking about "unprovoked"---I haven't seen any of these "pit bull kills someone" articles where there is even a claim they were provoked.

Your comment makes no sence. What do you think unprovoked means?

 

[Sigarms]

Oh, get off the offended routine.

Has nothing to do with you, nice of you to mentioning it though.