Piece on NPR about John Deere

   / Piece on NPR about John Deere #12  
Don't know squat about VW's and really don't care as this is about right to repair ag equipment not cars.

I farm and I will not buy a tractor with electronic controls. Both mine are pre 4 models and I plan on using them until I retire and will (I take excellent care of both). Interestingly, the market for a used pre 4 tractor is getting very tight as operators are buying up any used ones and people that have them are keeping them.

Both my pre 4 Kubota large frame ag tractors are actually appreciating in value and I could sell either tomorrow for substantial bucks. I won't.

Even Kubota plays the right to not repair. If you own a Kubota post 4 unit, you must go through a dealer and pay his shop rate for diagnostics as well as parts to repair. Kubota uses what is called a Diagmaster tool which accesses the proprietary ports in a Kubota post 4 tractor and you cannot buy the tool. In fact the dealer cannot buy the tool, the tool is 'leased' to the dealer from Kubota.

The access ports are proprietary so you have to have the tool to plug in. No OBD stuff here.

Both my units are purely mechanical injection, only 'electronic' thing on them is the fuel cut solenoid which is an electromagnet and easily replaceable.

Late model JD's specifically the large over 150 pto horsepower units have very complex electronics, my good friend down the road runs a large commercial seed operation and runs millions of dollars in JD late model equipment. JD has even went so far as to have sensors in the fuel and oil filters that sense oil and fuel parameters and send that information to the on board computer which in turn sends the data to the dealer. You don't change the fluids, the dealer tells you when to change and you use JD fluids and filters, no exceptions. Even the air filter is electronically monitored.

JD uses their Green Star on board positioning system to communicate with the selling dealer so it may do precision farming via GPS, it also is telling the dealer what the unit is doing, if the operator is abusing it (as in overspeeding the engine) and when service is due and then the dealer informs the owner it's service time.

Pretty wild and I get to see it in real time and I thank my stars I don't have a new post 4 unit. Not only do emissions tractors suck but you cannot repair them, especially any emissions related issue. Only the dealer can and at his rates and with OEM parts.

Kubota is as bad as Deere almost. I imagine CNH is the same deal but not sure as I don't know of anyone that runs CNH tractors. I do run NH hay tools however.

Far as government farm subsidies go, farming is a very expensive occupation with high inherent risks so the Farm Bill was legislated to keep farmers from going **** up during bad years. Not a free ride by any stretch and if you don't farm, don't criticize it as you don't understand how it works.
 
   / Piece on NPR about John Deere #13  
When talking how much farmers make, it blew my mind when I found out how much my local farmers get in government subsidies. The info is available online, they get really mad if you bring it up, lol.

Big Farmers are the biggest Welfare Queens in the Country. Small Farmers, not so much

Old news.
 
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   / Piece on NPR about John Deere #14  
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Kubota is as bad as Deere almost. I imagine CNH is the same deal but not sure as I don't know of anyone that runs CNH tractors. I do run NH hay tools however.

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Nobody is as bad as Deere. Nobody. Although generic motors is trying to keep up.

The rest, the others, are no picnic but nobody is as bad as Mr Green.

Sitting in a field, tractor broke down with something minor and you can fix it but you can't reset the computer to accept the new part. Only the Dealer can.

And we're talking about a Million Dollar piece of equipment sitting and waiting for the Dealer's guy to show up while you're down.

Some Farmers are discovering that they can import 'tunes' from Eastern Europe. Mostly Ukraine. Or, at least it used to be.

Deere uses the emissions excuse to hide behind. Which is crap. They just want to be able to charge you whatever they want whenever they want. And Farm Bureau, that stalwart defender of Farmers?

They sided with Deere.

shock

Big Tech, baby. Get used to it
 
   / Piece on NPR about John Deere #15  
Don't know squat about VW's and really don't care as this is about right to repair ag equipment not cars.
But you should as they both have the same issues and legislation in one area will most certainly have an effect in the other.
 
   / Piece on NPR about John Deere #16  
But you should as they both have the same issues and legislation in one area will most certainly have an effect in the other.

I agree with you but, that's simply some people's way of saying, "Sucks to be you, neener-neener'' or, "I am smarter than you, sucks that you're so stupid"

Run into a lot of that lately. They learn it from others. Sad, really.
 
   / Piece on NPR about John Deere #18  
Good info. I learned Deere is not alone in making computer diagnostics inaccessible to tractor purchasers.

Understatement of the year.
All equipment manufacturers approach this issue exactly the same. Deere gets the press and publicity because of their market share and high profile in the public eye.
No, Deere (nor any other manufacturer) does not require use of their branded fluids and filters.
Equipment telematics is not a Deere exclusive either.
 
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   / Piece on NPR about John Deere #20  
I have to assume that the VW is at least OBD, correct?
Yes. All vehicle manufacturers were required to OBDII Compliant per emission laws. In 1996, OBDII compliance became mandatory. Was a long time ago. OBD started in 1990 in California and by 1996 it was adopted by the Feds requiring that all cars had to meet the emissions standard and that they had to have OBD capability so anyone with a generic tool could check emissions equipment.
 

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