Perfect Farm Welder

[Mat4644]

If you want a 12 oz hammer buy a steel one. The stick the hammer is attached to will determine vibration transfer and not the head. Some are going back to wood.

 

[dragoneggs]

If you want a 12 oz hammer buy a steel one. The stick the hammer is attached to will determine vibration transfer and not the head. Some are going back to wood.

I've got a stable of hammers... almost always gravitate to my wood handled ones without thinking.

 

[Hay Dude]

Since hammers were introduced---

Have U noticed the race for the most $$$ hammers?
LOL, 20 oz titanium hammer? @ $150' ???
I always thought 20 oz was 20 no matter what it was made from.
Heck does the nail know the difference as to what hit it?

AND hanging from your tool belt is the 20 oz titanium feel lighter?

No, different hammers have a different feel for sure. Its not about the weight, its about the feel in your hand, the control and even the sound...
I frame with a steel 28oz mill faced Estwing. I like the feel of the tink-tink-tink it makes while driving nails. If it had a wood handle, it would feel different....more of a “ whack-whack-whack “ sound and a more soft feel.

Does that make sense? :laughing:

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

No, different hammers have a different feel for sure. Its not about the weight, its about the feel in your hand, the control and even the sound...
I frame with a steel 28oz mill faced Estwing. I like the feel of the tink-tink-tink it makes while driving nails. If it had a wood handle, it would feel different....more of a “ whack-whack-whack “ sound and a more soft feel.

Does that make sense? :laughing:

The sound some hammers make is more of an "ow, ow, ow! **%#$%$##!*) if the user isn't comfortable with it.

 

[dragoneggs]

The sound some hammers make is more of an "ow, ow, ow! **%#$%$##!*) if the user isn't comfortable with it.

And on some rare occasions, a primordial scream!

 

[Gary Fowler]

Um... Titanium is considerably heavier than Aluminum.

Aluminum 168.48 lbs per cubic foot
Titanium 283.39 lbs per cubic foot
Steel rolled 490.0 lbs per cubic foot.

While I think using titanium for hammers is pretty ridiculous, There must be some reason it is being done.


Thinking about this, maybe you meant to say "since titanium is lighter than steel" Of course hammers (at least the faces) are made out of steel not Aluminum. some might have an aluminum handle, or fiberglass etc. But I don't know of any framing hammers with aluminum faces. I have seen plenty of brass and plastic and some aluminum faced hammers for precise light work like gun smithing, but not nail driving.

Sorry , I must have been thinking about my HF Titanium welder. Getting old is a *****, things get a bit twisted in the mind sometimes.

 

[kydick]

back in the old days blacksmiths could weld with a hot fire and a heavy hammer. wonder what they could have done with an old tombstone welder and their know how?

 

[user.69169]

back in the old days blacksmiths could weld with a hot fire and a heavy hammer. wonder what they could have done with an old tombstone welder and their know how?

Probably got a lot of people and animals hurt and even killed.

Blacksmith weld takes full advantage of every bit of faying surface while an arc weld generally just grabs the edges of the piece. Big difference in work strength.

I been ruminating on the idea of a "Perfect Farm Welder" a couple days, and I'll just call it as I see it.

Even allowing how every farmer is a golden elbowed Nuke certified welder in his shop/barn, Tisn't generally so, and contrary to opinion they generally don't have PHDs in Metalurgy even if there is a Post Hole Digger propped in a tree by the barn.

That established probably the BEST, bar none 3 process machine ever to come off an assembly line was the Airco DipStick back in the late 60s. Sliding core transformer delivered exactly what the welder ordered, good rectifier, sweet arc. Only problem was they came to market too early with only a 7 foot MIG whip and a screwy plastic wire bushing in the drive that melted when the gun got shorted. Sweet arc for stick too, AC or DC, and with 5 minutes practice you could walk a TIG arc off a copper penny and do some nice heliarc too. Ran on single phase and had a solid 40% duty cycle.
Still see a few around with new whips on hem and still going strong.

 

[BrokenTrack]

I think Mark was not being too conceited when he said they had created the perfect welder. I would have preferred three phase, but most farms do not have that, so I can certainly see why he kept it a single phase machine. It is not like it is a big deal to split 3 phase down to single phase...

That being said, it is an inverter, and that makes it a nice machine. While I appreciate the older machines for what they are, and how solid they are built, I also appreciate the newer features of the inverters. Hot start, anti-stick, lighter weight, arc-force, smoother arc...what is not to love about them?

Sure I have fond memories of my Grandfather's old Ford 900, but I like the power steering, four wheel drive, positraction, and smaller size of my 1999 Kubota tractor too. It sucked to have parted with the money to buy my tractor back in 1999, but it is also a purchase I never regretted.

It is the same thing with inverter welders, there is so many features to love, and once you do make the purchase, it is only money, so you never regret the purchase.

 

[aczlan]

I'm one of those too. I had one for years, grew up on one was hesitant to replace it with a DC inverter machine, I mean my old Lincoln AC225 was a good welder...... about the 4th rod burned through my Powerarc 200 I had decided the Lincoln wasn't really needed anymore and found someone really happy to have a good welder at a very good price. A few years later I don't miss the Lincoln.

Same here, I liked my Lincoln Tombstone welder, but now that I have a inverter (Power Arc 200STi), the two Stone went to my brother's house a couple weeks back as I haven't turned it on since the inverter showed up.

Aaron Z

 

[pyobluebonus]

Mark do they have pulse in a tig? What is the cost ?

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

Mark do they have pulse in a tig? What is the cost ?

All of our AC DC units have pulse. Some have two forms of it. Most of our DC unit have a pulse.

 

[the old grind]

My MTS 251 Si has quite a range of on-time %s and frequencies for TIG. Waveform examples on page 59 of the manual.

I see it's on sale again. Note the duty cycles and included bits. (torches are 'big' enuf for o'all capacity, I bot smaller MIG/TIG for my work)

Buy your rods, wire, and fillers, and TIG electrodes the rest is there and quality bits.

PowerMTS 251Si with TIG Package | Everlast Generators

btw, when shopping I went up two models and spent another $500 US. If I get 10 years of use out of it I decided a dollar/week was affordable to 'have it all'.

IMO "I got that."

 

[Sberry]

While the featured up stuff is nice I think one of the revolutionary machines is the stick 140-160 mvp lunchbox jobs. I would have loved it but bought a Maxstar some time ago and simply dont need another one but if I did I think the Everlast would be on my short list. Its a machine I wouldnt mind testing. I heard some reallty good reviews form some late model ones, said they replace the Max for some and work just as well.
The low cost and the technology combined make them revolutionary and really moved them in to modest consumer/cost items etc. Under 300$ and can run 1/8 6011 and 3/32 lo hy on 120V and move up to 240 and can run same as a dc buzzer.
While the all in i aspect or multi is cool some of this other stuff is temptinjg for stand alone. I hate changing wire and even though I am a farmer and have a dozen machines truth be known I can do about 95+ % of it with a 175 mig 030. So nice for light, loose fit, gap fillin, so much control. I have a 250, use it once in a while and use a few sticks outside to keep my hand in it and for a little convenience on machines.

 

[Sberry]

I havnt ran a pulse, looks like some good apps but what I do for what I do there isnt much advantage to upgrade. I only recently ended up with the use of a 140 to keep 023 in, nice but my 2 staple machines would be 210 class and a 150 MVP stick. The heavier machine becomes way more a factor when time is money. A 250 is 2x as fast and uses 1/2 the gas for 2x the wire, big spools cost 1/2 as much. Any waiting while welding is 1/2 as much. Wouldnt take but a couple project/events to pay for that.

 

[Sberry]

There are some other things to consider. I looked at some threads that are already 10 years old and so much has changed and improved since then. It looks like some of this has stabilized somewhat but the risk reward ratios have turned from margins to multiples. In other words the imports used to be expensive and not so good buut now they are good and a lot cheaper, a lot. I still hear the reasoning about resale and how parts might not be there in 20 or 30 years and while these guys can post numbers they not all that much for knowing what they mean and wouldnt mind playing poker with them.
I got a bud come by wondering where he could get a part for a 5 yr old machine he bought new for 500 and ran the snot right out of. I said, ye, every new part available and he lit right up. 500$, all assembled with a 5 year warranty. He made 1000's with the thing, cost him 100 a year to own but still cant bear to toss it on the scrap, been looking for a year for a board or something. This is a guy can do trig, figure out any pipe angle ever invented. Must have bought 10 broke engine drives over the years, still doesnt have one that works. Lost 100K work over it. Making payments for a while would have been cheaper.

 

[Sberry]

I see a lot of things on the forums I really never use. There is a lot of fascination with tig. It has its place, I have it but wouldnt miss it if I didnt. I have a lot of aluminum others dont have so discounting a specialty I find my butt saver for the occasional need with a spool gun really. I see a lot of 10018 rod and the like, cant recall ever using one. A little handful of those tool allow specialty rods and a little bit of nickel but really 6011 at home and 7018. I have used them all including the beloved 6013 and 7014, some quite a bit but dont even stock it due to having DC. Not that it doesnt work but just dont use it. Nothing bad with those but its just more stuff.
An inverter that weighs 12# and runs on 120V has really retired my engine drives for the most part, a couple extra rods doesnt mean much once in a while. I got 4 engines, I could easily sell 3. Onlty reason I kept them was for possible contracting so II wouldnt need rentals for start up but I am not all that fond of it unless something fell my way.

 

[user.69169]

I got few years on you, enough to remember world before HeliArc and MIG.
Read a lot of de "welding" forums mostly for laughs.
Wonder time to time how kids figure world dey grew up in was made.
Keep remembering fellow who said all history begins de day you born. Kids just got no background to work off. Trying to run before dey can walk and build 10 story skeliton before foundation set up proper.
Couple buildings in New Orleans tippin over, 1 in Frisco too cause dey sit on piling only stuck in mud by friction. Some guy got it up maybe even got paid, good luck finding him. Whole bunch people changing name and location.

Look at things like Florida International bridge and WTC collapse and remember back to when giant chainsaw cut into bedrock for trench to be filled wid bentonite so concrete could be pumped in and dem walls still pretty water tight. Remember too how brilliant engineers built Citycorp tower at minimal cost, den some kid come along and point out wind could collapse. Lot of iron went into dat tower fast to keep wind from blowing down.

Machine built in Montreal can turn concrete bridge deck to shovel ready powder in couple days, minimal dust, few manhours. Machine don't get much used cause jackhammers make work for laborers and dey contribute. All a big game of watch de money move pocket to pocket.

Sure you like little inverter box mostly not because you ain't gotta pull cable, but because customer eating fuel cost and you got better profit not buying fuel. Dem little boxes coming along, but dey not yet ready for prime time. Engine drive sit in yard paid for ready to go to work. Little box like 1960 color TV, might work, might not when comes off shelf. I can usually make engine run, can't nothin but look at dead box of chips.

Contracting, drywall guy over on WoosieWeb lookin to build big vacuum bottles, got no idea what dey are let alone how to build, but he gonna bid de job. You ever read de posts pop up every 6 month bout getting Insurance? I know of 1 job where guy slid in by showing secretary insurance card for his truck. Dat's de bunch you bid against today. Can't see it from my house current standard of acceptable.
Bean counter world out der.

 

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[user.69169]

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