"Organic" a Scam or Fraudulent Phrase?

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In another thread about peanut butter the word organic was mentioned as a scam and as a fraud. Not wanting to hijack the peanut butter thread I decided to start a new one about organic.

I am a proponent of "USDA Organic" products and wonder if those who state that "organic" is a scam are including "USDA Organic". If yes, please explain why.
 
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Organic is an arbitrary term like "Lite". The USDA has its definition of organic but it is not binding on everyone.
The problem with organic is what was the soil used for before starting the organic crops. How long does soil have to be chemically free before the crop are chemically free. Were chemicals used to start the crops and then stopped before harvest?

Buyer be ware
 
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What some say:
Is organic food better nutritionally?
Consumers looking to squeeze every last drop of nutrition from their food dollars may have been dismayed by recent studies which found no real nutritional difference between conventionally grown produce and organic counterparts. In 2012, a meta-analysis of existing studies led by Crystal Smith-Spangler reviewed the literature and concluded that there's no strong evidence that organic foods are more nutritious than conventional. But, consuming organic foods could lower your exposure to pesticides and antibiotic resistant bacteria, the study, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, concluded.

"There are many things that affect the nutritional quality of food -- what was the weather; the variety that was grown; how long has it been since it was harvested? You could have pages of factors that affect the nutritional quality of a food and they are probably way more important than the way the food was produced," says Barbercheck.

"Except for pesticide residues, which are more frequent in conventional, the nutritional quality is pretty much a wash. They are often equivalent except for a few antioxidants are higher in organic," she says.
"Organic" _ organic is not by default synonymous with healthy. In fact, it may be anything but. Organic food can still be packed in fat, calories, and sugar. Companies like to add magnetic words on products to make you think itç—´ healthy.
WASHINGTON Patient after patient asked: Is eating organic food, which costs more, really better for me? Unsure, Stanford University doctors dug through reams of research to find out and concluded there's little evidence that going organic is much healthier. Eating organic fruits and vegetables can lower exposure to pesticides, including for children but the amount measured from conventionally grown produce was within safety limits, the researchers reported. Nor did the organic foods prove more nutritious.

"I was absolutely surprised," said Dr. Dena Bravata, a senior research affiliate at Stanford and long-time internist who began the analysis because so many of her patients asked if they should switch. "There are many reasons why someone might choose organic foods over conventional foods, from environmental concerns to taste preferences", Bravata stressed. But when it comes to individual health, "there isn't much difference." The Stanford team combed through thousands of studies to analyze the 237 that most rigorously compared organic and conventional foods. Bravata was dismayed that just 17 compared how people fared eating either diet while the rest investigated properties of the foods themselves.

Organic produce had a 30 percent lower risk of containing detectable pesticide levels. In two studies of children, urine testing showed lower pesticide levels in those on organic diets. But Bravata cautioned that both groups harbored very small amounts and said one study suggested insecticide use in their homes may be more to blame than their food.
Never know when it comes to food these days ...
 
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Yes and no. As mentioned, the USDA definition doesn’t apply to everyone the same way. And there’s no regulation as to how some companies use the phrase. Now, some companies do follow strict guidelines, so in those cases it’s not a fraud.
However, I consider it a scam in the sense that’s it’s been shown over and over that there’s nothing healthier about so called “organic” food, yet these companies still claim that there is. The part that bothers me the most is when they insinuate that non organic products aren’t healthy. If one company feels the need to make disparaging remarks or deception about another in order to sell products, they should look at their own product and ask why.
 
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Read that for a farm to truly qualify as 'organic' the surrounding area also needed to be chemical free.

I always found it to be a joke when I saw cans of maple syrup labeled as 'organic'. What, we have certified organic forests now?

IMO, 'lite' and 'organic' labels are greatly abused in advertising hype.
 
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I see Organic labelling as mostly hype and a way to get more for doing nothing different. Organic milk-where is this organic cow, maple syrup-made from tree sap from the wild, peanut butter-peanuts require no pesticide but possibly fertilizer where organic wouldn't get any resulting in fewer and smaller peanuts, I'll take the larger peanuts myself. In most of these there is no difference from any other label since no chemicals would be used on the product anyway.
Who wants to eat wormy apples anyway when properly done, pesticides are not collected in the fruit in any appreciable amount.
 
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Read that for a farm to truly qualify as 'organic' the surrounding area also needed to be chemical free.

I always found it to be a joke when I saw cans of maple syrup labeled as 'organic'. What, we have certified organic forests now?

IMO, 'lite' and 'organic' labels are greatly abused in advertising hype.

Another factor is the wind and rain. What blows onto the field and what is brought down by the rain?
As far as I can find out there is no testing of organic food to verify it is chemically free.
 
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I agree the words "natural" and "organic" have been abused

I strive to eat food that has not been grown in an environment of pesticides and insecticides. Here in Vermont, the Northeast Organic Farmer's Association is in charge of certifying foods and their growing / processing conditions to be labeled USDA Organic.

A food certified as USDA Organic not only means it wasn't grown in a pesticide, insecticide environment, but also that it was processed in a food-grade environment. For example, maple syrup certified as USDA Organic means the sugar bush is being managed in a certain way, that the sap was collected and boiled in a certain way and stored in a certain way. NOFA-VT has inspectors that assure USDA Organic standards are met.

Here's an excellent video on what USDA Organic means: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PUE7dxOP-Y4
 
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I always get a chuckle out of the “organic” maple syrup. Reminds me of the new milk advertisements touting “antibiotic free”. Every single drop of bottled milk in the US is tested before it ever leaves the farm. Yet I bet somehow their milk costs twice as much. (that part is speculation, I’m not sure what it costs)
 
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If a product has a "USDA Organic" seal it means that it has to fall within the federal "organic" rules to carry that seal. If the SKU number on the product starts with a 9 then it is certified organic. If the SKU number starts with an 8 then it is GMO. If the SKU starts with 3 or 4 then it is conventionally grown. The term that kills me every time I see it is "natural". "Natural" on any product is totally bogus in that anyone can use that term and it carries no regulatory stipulations.....it is marketing and nothing more.
 

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