Open carry / firearm handy

[ovrszd]

I believe I said this earlier. There are those that run toward gunfire. There are those that run away from gunfire, or freeze. Obviously there were none of the first group involved. Mission first. Neutralize the threat. Even if that means disregarding orders to standby. Hurts me. Makes my chest ache. I am alive today because I was surrounded by those that ran toward gunfire.

 

[ovrszd]

Just engaging the shooter, even if you miss, means he's not shooting at more kids.

Collateral damage has to be accepted. Even if you miss and hit a kid the next round stops the threat.

 

[Midniteoyl]

Collateral damage has to be accepted. Even if you miss and hit a kid the next round stops the threat.

Dunno about that. I was more thinking you catch him in the hallway and shoot to miss so as to avoid hitting a student yourself, you still made him divert his attention to you.

 

[ovrszd]

Dunno about that. I was more thinking you catch him in the hallway and shoot to miss so as to avoid hitting a student yourself, you still made him divert his attention to you.

Just do whatever scenario you can. Better than doing nothing.

 

[k0ua]

Even a bad plan executed with sufficient violence is better than a good plan next week.

 

[Jchonline]

Default Re: Open carry / firearm handy

Your "closer to 60%" is far more accurate. Per CDC WISQARS data base, as of 8/12/2017, average firearm deaths, for the period 1999-2015: Suicide 58.7%, Homicide 37.2%, Unintentional 2%, Legal Intervention 1.2%, Undetermined 0.8% (that leaves 0.1% unexplained, or just "rounding" error. The total, all firearm deaths, for that 17 year period, 533,879. The increase during that period 20%, fluctuating by year, but an over all increase.

Compare these figures to Highway/Vehicle deaths for a similar period (2000-2016). Per NHTSA, 717,492. Ave/yr. 42,205. Over 25% more deaths than by firearms. The "Highway Deaths" Increase/Decrease over that 17 yr. period, -11%. However the number of deaths decreased in 12 of those years, and increased in 5 of those years, and more stringent seat belt and airbag requirements were instituted, as well as the effect of anti-lock brakes and other safety features.

Also, any of these statistics should be compared to population figures of the U.S. (U.S. Census Data, as of 1/1/2017). Year 2000, U.S. Population 282.16 million. Year 20116, U.S. Population 323.41 million - A growth of, approx. 14.6% in that 17 year period.

So, for two similar 17 year periods, the "gun" deaths increased by 20%, while the vehicle fatalities decreased by 11%, yet the population grew at 14.6%. Safer vehicles, perhaps safer driving and more stringent highway law enforcement, significantly lowered the vehicle deaths. even with an increasing population. Accounting for population increase, the "gun" deaths, increased, but per capita, less than the 20% raw data suggests. Figures only provide a part of "the story", and are only useful when other contributing factors are taken into account. Just my 2 cents.

You also did not include statistics concerning how many times a firearm prevents a crime in the US. Unfortunately these numbers are not well studied. This is an area I would love to see more rigorous data collection. These below are all potentially fatal or life changing crimes that were prevented with the correct mindset and tool.

From the Congressional Research Report 2012:

How Often Are Firearms Used in Self-Defense?
According to BJS, NCVS data from 1987 to 1992 indicate that in each of those years, roughly 62,200 victims of violent crime (1% of all victims of such crimes) used guns to defend themselves.46 Another 20,000 persons each year used guns to protect property. Persons in the business of self-protection (police officers, armed security guards) may have been included in the survey.47 Another source of information on the use of firearms for self-defense is the National Self-Defense Survey conducted by criminology professor Gary Kleck of Florida State University in the spring of 1993. Citing responses from 4,978 households, Dr. Kleck estimated that handguns had been used 2.1 million times per year for self-defense, and that all types of guns had been used approximately 2.5 million times a year for that purpose during the 1988-1993 period.48
Why do these numbers vary by such a wide margin? Law enforcement agencies do not collect information on the number of times civilians use firearms to defend themselves or their property against attack. Such data have been collected in household surveys. The contradictory nature of the available statistics may be partially explained by methodological factors. That is, these and other criminal justice statistics reflect what is reported to have occurred, not necessarily the actual number of times certain events occur. Victims and offenders are sometimes reluctant to be candid with researchers. So, the number of incidents can only be estimated, making it difficult to state with certainty the accuracy of statistics such as the number of times firearms are used in self- defense. For this and other reasons, criminal justice statistics often vary when different methodologies are applied.

I would very much enjoy seeing if these statistics have changed much with the increase in # of guns in the US. We now have more guns than people. In my humble opinion, we must figure out how to create an imbalance. More guns for trained, law abiding citizens and fewer in the hands of lunatics and criminals.

 

[big bubba]

You also did not include statistics concerning how many times a firearm prevents a crime in the US. Unfortunately these numbers are not well studied. This is an area I would love to see more rigorous data collection. These below are all potentially fatal or life changing crimes that were prevented with the correct mindset and tool.





I would very much enjoy seeing if these statistics have changed much with the increase in # of guns in the US. We now have more guns than people. In my humble opinion, we must figure out how to create an imbalance. More guns for trained, law abiding citizens and fewer in the hands of lunatics and criminals.

wishful thinking, but the NRA would never tolerate any (additional) kind of regulation/ age change to purchase guns. just witness their response to the Florida shooting
everyone seems to have an answer....but the shootings continue.
my thoughts are with the family & friends of those lost

 

[Garandman]

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wishful thinking, but the NRA would never tolerate any (additional) kind of regulation/ age change to purchase guns. just witness their response to the Florida shooting
everyone seems to have an answer....but the shootings continue.
my thoughts are with the family & friends of those lost

None of the school shooters were NRA members. Blame the NRA if you like, but people get shot every day in Chicago and Washington DC, which had gun laws so comprehensive they were found in violation of the Second Amendment by the Supreme Court. In Boston, strict gun laws coincided with a big increase in gun homicides, armed robberies, and armed assaults.

There are a lot of other factors:

How Did the Parkland Shooter Slip Through the Cracks?