Oliver Super 88 Diesel Engine swap questions.

[NueDemShlak]

So I got this oliver super 88 diesel that I got for nothing. It has a twin cylinder 3 point hitch and what looks like a factory loader bucket, even has oliver written down the side of the loader that looks as old as the whole machine. I've never seen one with a factory loader, so maybe rare?? I don't know. Anyways to the point. The tractor sat for many many years without nothing on the exhaust, and well the engine was full of water, so I'm assuming the block is probably cracked and it will need a complete rebuild, including resleeved, and water came out of the injector pump and they're not cheap either. Oh and the exhaust was plugged with grime from the exhaust rusting up!! SOOOO basicly i thought why not throw a ford 300ci motor in it? Got a jeep motor in a mitsubishi so why not a ford engine, which is basicly a tractor engine to begin with, in an oliver? My thing is, I don't know much about them olivers. The engine is separate from the transmission, which I guess should make it easy? Or do you absolutly have to use that bellhousing? Are there any other engines that can mate to it that ain't diesel? I like them, but my god everyone and their brother wants one and think they're soo badass and prices for a diesel is stupid. My ford with a 300 has no problem dragging around 15k pounds with a 3.08 highway gear lol. Anyways could I use that ford i6, with a ford bellhousing and pressure plate and use the oliver clutch since it attaches to the "driveshaft"? I don't even know the size of the oliver clutch. Think a smallblock ford can use up to an 11 inch clutch. I ain't worried about linkages and wiring. Anyone got any ideas? Yeah I know this will probably make oliver purist mad and make others grin saying "what a ******", but what's the odds of finding another oliver 4.3l diesel, let alone a cheap one, or a gas engine? And I ain't spending 2k on rebuilding that engine that's probably cracked. I know some tractors or combines use to use gm and chrysler engines, I think atleast lol. Will one of them fit that bellhousing, Or is it something special? Anyways you get the idea, sorry for the long winded post!!! :confused2: If I get the tarp off it, I'll take pictures of the oliver and post them if anyone is interest!!!

 

[Creamer]

I would find a used Oliver 88 engine for it. They are around and they were a great engine.

 

[sixdogs]

Try searching Farm Show Magazine for engine repowers for that model. I've seen about everything swapped and I think there were some Oliver swaps in Farm Show. If that doesn't work, look for another 88 engine or maybe one from a later Oliver model that would fit. You can make an adaptor to make most anything fit.

 

[NueDemShlak]

IF I can find one lol. Around here there isn't any tractor "junkyards" that I'm aware of and I don't see people selling them engines for no reason unless they're either toast of they do tractor pulls and swap the engine out. Id rather spend time making something work rather then blow a grand or two. It's not a show tractor, needs tons of work anyways, so I can't justify spending the same amount on an engine than it would cost to buy a used tractor of about the same size. My little 8n can only do so much and it doesn't have a loader. The oliver has a loader, huge cylinders to opperate the 3 point, and could easily be mated up to a backhoe attachment, which will probably live on there. I just want to throw an engine in it, fix the rims so they'll actually support a tire, put new tubes in it and fix whatever hydraulic lines break. I just don't want to get into rebuilding a probably cracked block, resleave it, rebuild injectors and injector pump, ect ect. Got enough cars to build and projects to fix!!! Anyways I'll search around for a gas version. Are all olivers the same when it comes to bellhousing? I don't know crap about tractors, cars, all day long.

 

[sixdogs]

I'm in Ohio and there are many tractor bone yards in southern Michigan, northern Ohio and the northern Midwest area. I see ads all the time in a publication called Farm Week or Farm World or something like that. I went to one junkyard in northern Ohio maybe 10 years ago and they had parts for everything I could think of.

As mentioned earlier, search the Farm Show site since I recall reading about a similar "repower" using a different engine. All you need is an adapter and I would not be surprised if one was commercially available. Some investigative work should pay off. Guys put all sorts of engines into all sorts of tractors.


I'll add that you can easily put a V8 in that 8N with a commercially available adaptor. See Farm SHow magazine or search this site because someone here did it.

 

[murphy1244]

MAIBACH TRACTOR - Tractor & Farm Equipment Dealer in OH for AGCO, Farm Hand-AGCO

Try this one if you are close. He was a Oliver dealer for years and now sells used parts for them too.

 

[RickB]

Anyone that can't find Oliver parts and/or donor units in Ohio isn't looking very hard. Maibach is renown across the USA as a primary resource.

 

[NueDemShlak]

I've never heard of Maibach, like I said, I'm not in the tractor/farm "scene". I know where a multitude of car junkyards are at , because that's what I do. I havn't seen a tractor yard anywhere, even out in the sticks, where you run across several junkyards. I just wanted to throw that ford 300 in there, becasue I got one just sitting out in the shed, even got a new carburetor laying on a truck that's loosing it's engine that will fit, and I can get them engines anywhere and last forever, plus I know them in and out. I will admit, it would be easier to put whatever engine that will bolt straight up. That's why I was wondering if anyone knew if that super 88 uses a special bellhousing of if it shares the same pattern as other tractors or better yet, a car/truck engine. I can get car engines super cheap from a buddy of mine and he has lots of old stuff. I tried searching engine swaps, but the only things that comes up is different tractors and or different model olivers (don't know if they're the same bellhousing wise) or are always cummins swaps or whatever. I might just pull the engine and do a crude rebuild and throw it together. I'm on the fence with that. Whenever I get time to jerk it out, I'm going to see what I can do to get that 300 in there. I'm pretty good at making crap work that ain't suppose to. But thanks guys for info, if you got anymore, I'd love to read about it!!

 

[RickB]

Google is your friend. That said, Oliver's have an open drive between the clutch and tranny and a non-structural engine block. You should have no trouble dropping a 300 I-6 complete with clutch in that Oliver tub. The trick will be the PTO /hydraulic pump drive, if you need to retain that.

 

[NueDemShlak]

Google is your friend. That said, Oliver's have an open drive between the clutch and tranny and a non-structural engine block. You should have no trouble dropping a 300 I-6 complete with clutch in that Oliver tub. The trick will be the PTO /hydraulic pump drive, if you need to retain that.

Wait, so the pto and pump run off the flywheel or something? I thought that "drive shaft" that came out of the bellhousing was the only thing in there and it ran to the transmission which is what the pto and pump ran off? But makes since because it's kinda hard to run hydraulics if it ran off the trans and the input shaft ain't spinning. I had a blonde moment. But I didn't know that, I'm sure I would of found out real quick like. And it was a loader and external cylinders operating the 3 point, so I guess I'd better figure that issue out to. Shoot lol, thought it wouldn't be that bad to do once I figured out how to mate that shaft to a clutch and flywheel combination somehow and fudge the bellhousing to work. If this tractor wasn't on the back burner, I'd tear into it right now. At the moment, I'm just trying to get my head around how they opperate mechanicly. I might be over my head. Once I get to that point in time, we'll see. Maybe I'll post pics if I go the motor swap route, whenever I get there....