NX series Anti Stall function..... killed it 4 times

[kapper]

Anyone else ever kill their engine even with the Anti-stall function on? I managed to kill it 4 times in a short period while digging... Not sure if this is normal, or if there is just simply a tipping point where it won't function?? I wasn't really taxing it that hard! Just trying to dig up some ground...

 

[s219]

Anyone else ever kill their engine even with the Anti-stall function on? I managed to kill it 4 times in a short period while digging... Not sure if this is normal, or if there is just simply a tipping point where it won't function?? I wasn't really taxing it that hard! Just trying to dig up some ground...

How were you digging?

 

[kapper]

The way I always do.. Just working on cutting into a hillside. No doubt, I was taxing it, but the anti stall should have reduced the power instead of killing the engine.. I'd been digging that hill for several days now. I usually can feel when it wants to quit, but I thought I'd push it a little and see if/how the anti stall worked. Needless to say, it needs some tweaking for sure..

 

[s219]

The way I always do..

I guess I was asking for a description -- for instance, digging with hydraulics only, digging with bucket down and wheels driving, ???? I see a lot of digging happening with FELs that is a bit beyond what an FEL should do. It's not a bulldozer.

Typically, anti-stall will keep the engine from tripping and stalling under momentary overload. If you run the front bucket into an immovable object and the wheels don't break traction, the engine will stall even with an anti-stall system (something has to give).

I guess if I stalled the engine four times trying to dig, I'd take a hint and try a different technique. With a front loader, it is generally a lot safer to dig with hydraulics only, as you will hit a relief before doing damage or stalling the engine. If you dig by driving forward with the wheels, you can damage the loader arms and/or stall the engine. The only time I dig with both hydraulics and forward motion is when nosing into a pile of loose material or when I know the ground I am digging in is not too hard.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Anyone else ever kill their engine even with the Anti-stall function on? I managed to kill it 4 times in a short period while digging... Not sure if this is normal, or if there is just simply a tipping point where it won't function?? I wasn't really taxing it that hard! Just trying to dig up some ground...

Have I ever killed the engine with the anti-stall on? Yes, when using my rotary cutter.

 

[art]

If the anti stall is working properly then you shouldn't be stalling with proper operation.

 

[kapper]

I guess I was asking for a description -- for instance, digging with hydraulics only, digging with bucket down and wheels driving, ???? I see a lot of digging happening with FELs that is a bit beyond what an FEL should do. It's not a bulldozer.

Typically, anti-stall will keep the engine from tripping and stalling under momentary overload. If you run the front bucket into an immovable object and the wheels don't break traction, the engine will stall even with an anti-stall system (something has to give).

I guess if I stalled the engine four times trying to dig, I'd take a hint and try a different technique. With a front loader, it is generally a lot safer to dig with hydraulics only, as you will hit a relief before doing damage or stalling the engine. If you dig by driving forward with the wheels, you can damage the loader arms and/or stall the engine. The only time I dig with both hydraulics and forward motion is when nosing into a pile of loose material or when I know the ground I am digging in is not too hard.

Ahh yes, I see what you are asking now s219. Yes, I was digging by using loader and pushing forward. On the particular project I'm on I have very limited options on getting that hill knocked down, as I can only work on it from the bottom, if you will, right now. Once I get it cut enough to where I can dig from the top, then it will be easier for the tractor.

I am asking the tractor to do what I believe it should do though. I dig that way in small bits, as I know it is tough on them, but taking small pieces should not be a huge issue. for 48k (with all options & implements), I should hope that the thing can handle some digging.. After all, it had a front end loader, a bucket and it advertises 'digging depth' of over 8 inches below surface....

 

[kapper]

By the way, you really have to use the engine drive line for ANY type of loader work. I really don't understand what you mean when you say 'hydraulics only?" How can you scoop or dig something without using forward motion?

 

[Apsterbobed]

This is a little off topic but I stall my DK40 HST alot when using the loader Especially when I have the backhoe on. I used a gear tractor for so long I can't seem to remember that I can't clutch at the last moment before the stall, now I dump the hydro peddle expecting it to stop and instead I stall. I also came close a few times and once this winter hit a fence posts pushing snow up an ice hill, from spinning while pushing then grabbing traction and then not stopping as quick as I wanted. The 2 things I love about the HST is how fast you can go from forward to reverse and how fast you can go in reverse. Sorry to rant so unrelated. ..

 

[s219]

By the way, you really have to use the engine drive line for ANY type of loader work. I really don't understand what you mean when you say 'hydraulics only?" How can you scoop or dig something without using forward motion?

Bucket curl and down pressure is useful for digging/scooping by itself, and I will try that in sketchy situations. Though you are right, usually at least some forward motion is needed for "repetitive" dirt work, but I tend to use the forward motion to follow up the hydraulic motions. I rarely use the forward motion as the main digging force unless it's shaving off thin layers of soil or nosing into a pile (but that's almost always soft and not an issue). If I were to try and dig deeply in my clay soil with only forward motion, I'd either slip wheels in 2WD or stall the tractor in 4WD. Isn't great for the loader arms in that second scenario either -- they are just not made for repetitive pushing to the stall point.

For general scooping, I tend to have the hydraulics work in sync with forward motion, so I go into a pile with cutting edge horizontal, and then curl the bucket simultaneously as the tractor moves forward.