NO NICOTINE (Cope)since 2/19/09

/ NO NICOTINE (Cope)since 2/19/09 #41  
I quit dipping cope amost 5 years ago. I used to dip a can and a half a day. I constantly had a dip in my mouth.

I quit about a week after my first daughter was born. I decided I wanted to be around to watch over my kids for as long as possible. Dipping was counterproductive to that goal, so I kicked the habit.

It wasn't easy, but I did it. You'll have waves of cravings. They all pass within a few minutes. Even to this day, five years after quitting, I'll get the urge now and then. They're less frequent and less severe.

I have to remind myself that nicotine addiction is like alcoholism. You can never let your guard down and think "just one" will be alright. I quit and will never touch it again, for any excuse, because I know I'll be right back to dipping full-time again if I cave to a moment of weakness.

A couple of tips. Chew regular gum, drink lots of water and be very careful around friends and alcohol (this is when you'll cave in and have "just one").
 
/ NO NICOTINE (Cope)since 2/19/09
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#42  
You are doing a great job and i thank you for starting this, because it
has helped me, every time i reach for the can, i think about this thread.

Seems like smoking was easy for me to quit, but i feel that dipping will be much harder to quit.

I will turn it over to the Lord.
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Thanks for sharing.:)

When you are ready to quit let me know. But only you can decide.

I think dipping is harder to quit than smoking even though I have never smoked. I have dipped everywhere. In meetings where I was the speaker, in church, just any and everywhere. I could put a dip in spit twice and never have to spit again, did not bother me. And no one knew I had a dip in. I told some guys out in the plant that I was quiting after 27 years and none of them new I dipped.
 
/ NO NICOTINE (Cope)since 2/19/09
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#43  
every time i reach for the can, i think about this thread.:)

And now everytime I think of this thread I'll think of you reaching for that can...the can I could be reaching for.:(
 
/ NO NICOTINE (Cope)since 2/19/09
  • Thread Starter
#44  
You can never let your guard down and think "just one" will be alright. because I know I'll be right back to dipping full-time again if I cave to a moment of weakness. be very careful around friends and alcohol (this is when you'll cave in and have "just one").

BTDT about 100 times in the past!
 
/ NO NICOTINE (Cope)since 2/19/09 #45  
And now everytime I think of this thread I'll think of you reaching for that can...the can I could be reaching for.:(

It is hard to quit right now for me.

Last Wednesday it was around 70 deg. out and my only brother had two hours before going to work in the mines, he took a ride on his motorcycle went around a curve, and there was gravel in the road.

He slid on the gravel, went across the other lane, hit the guard rail and died right there.

He was 32 years old, he has a wife and three girls under 12. I really just can't even think straight right now, just a total shock to the family.
 
/ NO NICOTINE (Cope)since 2/19/09 #47  
Good Luck your quality of life just has to get better.I have lost 3 family members
to tobacco 4 more or suffering from years of abuse.Framer
 
/ NO NICOTINE (Cope)since 2/19/09 #48  
I can only imagine the shock for the family. We'll keep you in our prayers.
 
/ NO NICOTINE (Cope)since 2/19/09 #49  
But all this talk of chewing causing cancer is overblown as far as I'm concerned,I believe we all have the cancer gene in us,but somes might be triggered by chemicals of some kind,some might be triggered by beer,electric magnetic field, smoking,etc,and some rubbing snuff. Thats why you find old men and woman who have smoked for 60 years and still kicking,and old men[generally] who have rubbed or chewed for 60 years and still doing it...

We all have "precancer" every day - damage to our replicating DNA strands that, in the vast, vast, vast majority of cases, gets repaired immediately by DNA repair mechanisms within our cells. This stops the progression from "precancer" to cancer. Some people have fantastic DNA repair mechanisms (your 60 year smokers described above), while the majority of us are not so lucky.

...If it for sure caused cancer,than they wouldn't be here...
This attempt to establish absolute cause and affect is a natural attempt to explain things around us, but your assumptions are incorrect - mostly because of the variable strength of the DNA repair genes. Most population exposure/risk studies are not designed to explain cause, but rather explain risk. People that chew tobacco or smoke have higher cancer rates than those that don't chew tobacco or smoke. That doesn't mean all people that chew or smoke get cancer, and doesn't mean non-chewers/smokers don't get cancer. It is just a statement of risk.
 
/ NO NICOTINE (Cope)since 2/19/09 #50  
I'm sorry to hear about your brother and the family he has left behind, Johndeere4300.
 
/ NO NICOTINE (Cope)since 2/19/09 #51  
Doc,risk,life is just one big risk,and we all lose[or do we].many things speed your death up,not getting enough sleep,chewing gum with who knows what in it,eating anything you didn't grow and some things you did grow,shaking hands,etc,etc.

People who drive over 10 hours a week have a higher death rate than those who drive less than that.

my point doc,is many things are not good for us,and we will all end up in same spot,why just pick on tobbaco?
 
/ NO NICOTINE (Cope)since 2/19/09 #52  
my point doc,is many things are not good for us,and we will all end up in same spot,why just pick on tobbaco?

You're certainly right there. For example, did you know that the entire pickle crop of 1875 was poisonous? - everybody that ate pickles that year has died!

Researchers get interested in something, or get their funding from a source that is interesed in something. Some risks are easy to associate with outcome (smoking, driving 140 mph on motorcycles), some are more difficult.
 
/ NO NICOTINE (Cope)since 2/19/09 #54  
You're certainly right there. For example, did you know that the entire pickle crop of 1875 was poisonous? - everybody that ate pickles that year has died!

Researchers get interested in something, or get their funding from a source that is interesed in something. Some risks are easy to associate with outcome (smoking, driving 140 mph on motorcycles), some are more difficult.

Well i know my brother was not driving 140 mph on a motorcycle.

You can't go that fast on a two-lane road with the curves in that part of the country.
 
/ NO NICOTINE (Cope)since 2/19/09 #55  
Doc,the WHOLE pickle crop,of 1875,...no didn't know that[there has got to be more to this story].

Got a big chew in right now,and the only thing thats hurting on me is my elbow,to much brush cutting or at least thats what I think??!!
 
/ NO NICOTINE (Cope)since 2/19/09
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#56  
Well i know my brother was not driving 140 mph on a motorcycle.

You can't go that fast on a two-lane road with the curves in that part of the country.

Bill, Sorry to hear about your brother. You and your family will be in our prayers.
 
/ NO NICOTINE (Cope)since 2/19/09 #57  
Greenmule, I think what Doc is trying to tell you is:
You may use tobacco, motorcycle race, bungee jump, skydive, mountain climb, defuse explosives, gobble down fatty foods, deal drugs in the ghetto, and ride tractors with no rops and still outlive those of us who do none of those things, BUT, no Las Vegas bookie would put the odds in your favor. :D
 
/ NO NICOTINE (Cope)since 2/19/09
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#58  
Well...Saturday was the big test. Tractor day and no dip. This was the day I was dredding and I made it but it was not easy. I have about 60-70% of my river bottom tilled with my new tiller. I could have finished Saturday but tilling is slow mindless work. My mind would have been thinking of nothing but big dip of Cope. So I decided to work the woods behind my house with the tractor. A lot of trees to move with the forks, drag some, pile brush to get ready for the mulcher I plan to rent in a couple weeks. Being in western NC I don't have many level spots on my property so when on the tractor you need to pay attention. This I thought would help keep my mind off Cope and it worked for the most part but I still wanted that DIP!

Day 6: New Worlds Record, for me.

Still wanting a dip, still thinking about it, craving not lasting as long, questioning if its really that bad for you, willpower, and don't give up!
 
/ NO NICOTINE (Cope)since 2/19/09 #59  
questioning if its really that bad for you, willpower, and don't give up!

Been there, done that, except it was smoking instead of dipping. It'll get better, but there are times you wonder.:D
 
/ NO NICOTINE (Cope)since 2/19/09 #60  
David,

Good luck to you!!!

When I was in the Marine Corps, I was an Embassy Guard and had to stay away all night long in the embassy twice a week. It was a long, boring shift that was always challenging to stay awake. Several of the other Marines dipped and told me it's how they stayed awake. I tried it and it worked. I only dipped on those late shifts, but after getting out and coming back to the States, I started dipping more and more.

In the mid 90's, I started trying to quit. Sometimes it lasted a few days, other times I went a full month or more. Quiting was always easy, but getting the thoughts out of my head that I needed a dip was what drove me crazy. It would be all that I could think about!!!!!!

Then in 1997, After several attempts that year already, I went into a store to buy a can and couldn't find anything fresh. I was real particular on how old the can was, and knew of several places that sold it fresh. I went to place after place and couldn't find any. The day ended before I could find a can. The first thing the next day, I went to my local store and they were totally sold out. That's when it changed for me, I went from needing it, to being angry at it and quit again. That was the first time that I quit angry. I can't say if it was at myself, or who, but it was different then the other times.

To replace the dip, I started chewing toothpicks. I still chew toothpicks today, but not as ofter as I used to. And then I discovered Dorittos. I ate a bag a day!!! And in six months, I gaines 65 pounds. All I did was stuff my face with food. I was working out, doing cardio, but nowhere near enough to keep up with my need for something to eat. Heck, I wasn't even hungry.

The other thing that happened was I lost all motivation to do anything. Mowing the lawn became a chore. Before, I'd put a dip in and cut the grass. It was fun. Without the dip, it wasn't the same. Just about all my hobbies suffered because I didn't enjoy them anymore.

I still missed chewing, but the non stop, overwhelming thinking about it all the time was less after the first month. The first week is easy, it's that first month when it was too much for me.

Several years after quiting, I still thought about it and missed it. Kind of like a dog that passed away, you miss it and wish it was back, but by then, I was strong enough to resist it. I started dieting and cut way back on the snacking. I was still overweight, but wasn't gaining anymore. Since quiting, I've struggled with my weight. When I was chewing, I ate anything and never thought about it. I know I'm older and that's the real reason, but the timing of it was perfect with my quiting.

11 1/2 years later, I'm long past thinking about it. Looking back, I think it was about a five year process to completely get past any desire for it. Being it was my first and only addiction, all I can say is that my brain wanted it and kept reminding me of how good it would taste and make me feel.

My lip and gums are back to normal. That happened fairly quickly. I had my teeth bleached and that was also a fairly quick fix to the yellowing that had developed from a decade of staining them. And I even have my weight under control to a level that I'm not embarrassed by my belly or going swimming in public.

Right now, it's only going to get worse for you. I never tried the gum, but of those that I know who did, it either became another addiction for them, or it didn't work and they went back to smoking or dipping. I wouldn't recomend Dorittos, which worked for me, but while gaining all the weight, I did rationalize that it was better then then going back to dipping. I thougth I could lose the weight fairly easily, and didn't realize how hard it would be.

I admire you for putting it out here on the forums. Even if you slip up, be honest about it and move forward. Odds are that you may have to try again and again to quit. Just keep at it and endure the mental torture that your brain will put you through. It's worth it!!!!!

Eddie
 

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