New tractor lifting opinion please

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Aaron, you are exactly right. In 90's & early 2000's all I sed was Kubotas. But now to high. L3560 w cab & turf tires is north of $38K. Ive been looking at non hydrostatic trans cause needing consistant hole spacing. Im looking at Kioti & TYM. Also, Kioti dealer just told me the CK4020SEH is NOT available in gear, only hydrostat.
Anyone know if a GPS speed indicator could work so I would know my ground speed and then can be consitant BEFORE dropping and engaging the aerator? My work speed will range from 3/4 mph to 1 1/2mph
I appreciate all the input & your time.
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One thing you might want to pay attention to is the maximum implement weight for a particular tractor model. I have an MX4700 and the manual states a lift capacity of 2,310 pounds at 24 inches beyond lift points. In the implement section it has a maximum implement weight of around 1,000 pounds. I imagine it likely has to do with traveling over rough ground with with the implement in the air and the associated stresses created. That and the fact that an implement often extends out further than 24 inches behind lift point.

Personally I would go with a larger tractor.

Just my 2 cents. Hope this helps!!

 

[AaronD81]

Aaron, you are exactly right. In 90's & early 2000's all I sed was Kubotas. But now to high. L3560 w cab & turf tires is north of $38K. Ive been looking at non hydrostatic trans cause needing consistant hole spacing. Im looking at Kioti & TYM. Also, Kioti dealer just told me the CK4020SEH is NOT available in gear, only hydrostat.
Anyone know if a GPS speed indicator could work so I would know my ground speed and then can be consitant BEFORE dropping and engaging the aerator? My work speed will range from 3/4 mph to 1 1/2mph
I appreciate all the input & your time.
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I don't think any GPS will be accurate that slow. I used two options on my HST for spraying. Neither may work and I agree manual is likely best transmission for you.

First was a bicycle computer, it just needs a magnet on the wheel. This worked OK, but for less than 1 mph it may not register a speed.

Second was marking a set distance on the ground and calculating speed based on certain RPM at full forward pedal. This worked well, but mainly because I was using a sprayer and didn't need full PTO engine speed, and I could adjust sprayer to whatever speed I was going. In your case you'll need to adjust tractor speed to implement so even low range on a HST will likely be too fast.

Based on cost and size I think the Kioti CK will work, you'll just have to be careful.

 

[ptsg]

Aaron, you are exactly right. In 90's & early 2000's all I sed was Kubotas. But now to high. L3560 w cab & turf tires is north of $38K. Ive been looking at non hydrostatic trans cause needing consistant hole spacing. Im looking at Kioti & TYM. Also, Kioti dealer just told me the CK4020SEH is NOT available in gear, only hydrostat.
Anyone know if a GPS speed indicator could work so I would know my ground speed and then can be consitant BEFORE dropping and engaging the aerator? My work speed will range from 3/4 mph to 1 1/2mph
I appreciate all the input & your time.
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Since you're considering shuttle shift and TYM as well, I will suggest that you go with the 20R series (xx20 models) for a couple reasons. "R" is shuttle shift, "H" is HST.

First it's because it's a former Branson model and those are built much better than the TYM ones, in just about every aspect.

Second, because the 20 series has a 16x16 transmission, so 4 ranges being: creeper, low, medium and high. I can see how the creeper gears will work very well in your application.

Lowest gear (1st in creep range) seems that it will do about 1 mph at max engine RPM (2850 rpm), if the chart from TYM website is correct. The 540 PTO is rated at 2600 engine RPM, so that speed will drop a bit. If you can run in the 540Eco (about 1800 engine RPM), that ground speed will be even lower. Well within the speeds you're looking for.

Those are available in 35/48/55 HP and as far as 3 pt capacity, those are rated at 3300 lbs at the balls or 2400lbs 24" behind the balls.

There is also the smaller frame 15 series but those have a 12x12 transmission (3 ranges), which as great tractors as well (I have one) but not sure the lowest gear will be slow enough for your application. EDIT: Looks like the 15 series will do 0.8 mph at max engine RPM.

 

[allen.car64]

Since you're considering shuttle shift and TYM as well, I will suggest that you go with the 20R series (xx20 models) for a couple reasons. "R" is shuttle shift, "H" is HST.

First it's because it's a former Branson model and those are built much better than the TYM ones, in just about every aspect.

Second, because the 20 series has a 16x16 transmission, so 4 ranges being: creeper, low, medium and high. I can see how the creeper gears will work very well in your application.

Lowest gear (1st in creep range) seems that it will do about 1 mph at max engine RPM (2850 rpm), if the chart from TYM website is correct. The 540 PTO is rated at 2600 engine RPM, so that speed will drop a bit. If you can run in the 540Eco (about 1800 engine RPM), that ground speed will be even lower. Well within the speeds you're looking for.

Those are available in 35/48/55 HP and as far as 3 pt capacity, those are rated at 3300 lbs at the balls or 2400lbs 24" behind the balls.

There is also the smaller frame 15 series but those have a 12x12 transmission (3 ranges), which as great tractors as well (I have one) but not sure the lowest gear will be slow enough for your application. EDIT: Looks like the 15 series will do 0.8 mph at max engine RPM.

Awesome insight. The max engine RPM I would use is around 1600-1800. I did test drive the T474C with shuttle. Problem (only issue I had) was the main gear from Low/Medium/High was not sychronized. The ground speed seemed okay. I will look at what you are suggesting. Reviewing the TYM T394C now. Kind of like that one.
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[allen.car64]

I don't think any GPS will be accurate that slow. I used two options on my HST for spraying. Neither may work and I agree manual is likely best transmission for you.

First was a bicycle computer, it just needs a magnet on the wheel. This worked OK, but for less than 1 mph it may not register a speed.

Second was marking a set distance on the ground and calculating speed based on certain RPM at full forward pedal. This worked well, but mainly because I was using a sprayer and didn't need full PTO engine speed, and I could adjust sprayer to whatever speed I was going. In your case you'll need to adjust tractor speed to implement so even low range on a HST will likely be too fast.

Based on cost and size I think the Kioti CK will work, you'll just have to be careful.

Yeah, I could not agree more. The hole spacing for is critical. It's what I get paid for. I was hoping for some speed indicator that I could monitor and get to a number then engage cruise. I should have clarified that it really doesn't need to be accurate but accurate to the same indicator everytime. Meaning, if my true ground speed is 1mph (example), but indicator say 1.5 or 2mph or whatever, thats fine, as long as that is spot on for each pass I make as a point of reference. Thanks a bunch.
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[ptsg]

Awesome insight. The max engine RPM I would use is around 1600-1800. I did test drive the T474C with shuttle. Problem (only issue I had) was the main gear from Low/Medium/High was not sychronized. The ground speed seemed okay. I will look at what you are suggesting. Thank you so much.
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I don't think you'll find any tractor, in this size at least, with synchronized range gears (low, medium, high). Most, just like the Branson models I listed, will be synchronized on the shuttle (forward and reverse) and on the main gears (1st to 4th).

 

[LouNY]

Aaron, you are exactly right. In 90's & early 2000's all I sed was Kubotas. But now to high. L3560 w cab & turf tires is north of $38K. Ive been looking at non hydrostatic trans cause needing consistant hole spacing. Im looking at Kioti & TYM. Also, Kioti dealer just told me the CK4020SEH is NOT available in gear, only hydrostat.
Anyone know if a GPS speed indicator could work so I would know my ground speed and then can be consitant BEFORE dropping and engaging the aerator? My work speed will range from 3/4 mph to 1 1/2mph
I appreciate all the input & your time.
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Yes the CK4020SEH is the hydrostatic version the CK4020SE would be the manual transmission version, I believe that minimum speed at pto rpm is 1 mph.

 

[allen.car64]

Yes the CK4020SEH is the hydrostatic version the CK4020SE would be the manual transmission version, I believe that minimum speed at pto rpm is 1 mph.

Yeah, I was just told the Kioti website is wrong. The CK4020SE is no cab. Only the SEH(hydro) can have a cab. Which medically I need. (Lopus)

 

[allen.car64]

I don't think you'll find any tractor, in this size at least, with synchronized range gears (low, medium, high). Most, just like the Branson models I listed, will be synchronized on the shuttle (forward and reverse) and on the main gears (1st to 4th).

Yes, it seems you are on point. Shame, back in late '90's I bought Lseries Kubota with cab and Glid Shift Transmission. Now you cant get that unless open platform. That was the best transmission for my use. Not when I ever used the clutch LOL. It was a dream tractor for my use.
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[CloverKnollFarms]

Yeah the TYM ‘20 series have 3300lbs plus lift capacity, none of that common rail ECM bull crap, and they are heavy for thier size. My 4820 is a little smaller than the 494, but weighs just as much.

I have the HST version and have zero complaints