New tractor financing question

   / New tractor financing question #1  

Bumble

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Kent and Ellensburg, Wa.
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Kubota L4330
Hey all,
I'm new here, so I'll start by introducing myself. I'm Jim, 43, married, 2 kids out on their own, and have lurked here a while before registering.
I'm in the market for a tractor, having recently purchased 30 ac. in Eastern Washington, and had a question about financing and sales tax. Being that SOME of the tractors I'm considering are sold at dealers nearly 100 miles away, and that sales tax is in the upper 8% range, is it worth while to go into Oregon, (NO sales tax) to purchase? We're talking another 50 miles or so, and would be buying something in the 35hp range, TLB, so not an inexpensive purchase, by any means. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jim
 
   / New tractor financing question #2  
Cannot help you with tax questions. ;)
But I can welcome you to TBN. :)
 
   / New tractor financing question #3  
Bumble said:
Hey all,
I'm new here, so I'll start by introducing myself. I'm Jim, 43, married, 2 kids out on their own, and have lurked here a while before registering.
I'm in the market for a tractor, having recently purchased 30 ac. in Eastern Washington, and had a question about financing and sales tax. Being that SOME of the tractors I'm considering are sold at dealers nearly 100 miles away, and that sales tax is in the upper 8% range, is it worth while to go into Oregon, (NO sales tax) to purchase? We're talking another 50 miles or so, and would be buying something in the 35hp range, TLB, so not an inexpensive purchase, by any means. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jim
Welcome to TBN, Jim! :)

You might want to try a search on this tax question. It's a pretty common question. Short answer....as an out of state buyer, the dealer is usually not required to collect sales tax. However, that does not mean you dont' have to pay it. Some states have sales tax, others use tax, some both. Some states also have reciprocity agreements where information on big tickets sales are exchanged, so Washington might be able to discover this. Not paying taxes could be a risky proposition.
 
   / New tractor financing question #4  
I believe you will still have to pay taxes on the tractor but in your home state. Search the forum. It's been discussed many times before about sales tax.
 
   / New tractor financing question
  • Thread Starter
#5  
Thanks for the welcome,
I must have had my hat on too tight the other night, because I tried the search, and didn't find it, tried today, and there it was. Also did some searching on the state website, I *think* I have my answer, probably have to talk to a bureaucrat to be sure.
Jim
 
   / New tractor financing question #7  
I would buy slightly used from a private seller . Cuts lots off the new price and no taxes!
 
   / New tractor financing question #8  
I'm going to tell you no. Why? Because your new to tractors and you may need that local support from your dealer if you run into a snag.

Like you I never owned a tractor like the one I have. Called the dealer on an issue with 10hrs on the machine. If I knew anything about them I could have easily fixed it myself but I didn't.

Buy local and build critical repor with your dealer. A few hundred extra might be worth it.

In NY even if you buy out of state you still need to pay NYS tax. I imagine WA is the same way....
 
   / New tractor financing question #9  
Welcome to TBN. I'm a little closer to the OR/WA border - so the dilemma you have is VERY real to me. At the same time, because I live in a "border county", we have a little more experience with what the rules and regulations are.

The correct answer is that you are required to pay WA state sales tax on anything you buy. If you buy goods in Oregon, you are supposed to stop in at the tax office and pick up a form so you can report what you paid for the goods, how much tax you paid in the state you bought it in ($0 for Oregon, around 5.5% in Idaho, etc), and then send in a check for the difference to the state of Washington. The law allows the state, if they find out you 1) did purchase something out of state, and 2) did not pay WA sales tax on it, to send you a nasty letter and give you 30 days to pay the tax, or they will come after you for tax evasion. The reality is that about 95%+ of the purchases made in Oregon are not reported voluntarily, and about 95%+ of the ones not reported voluntarily are not reported at all. The people in the tax office will actually look at you like you have two heads if you do ask for the forms. An article in our local paper a few years back stated that most of the untaxed sales that are reported are those turned in by disgruntled neighbors or neighborhood "do-gooders" that see the owner pull up with a brand new plasma TV or refrigerator or whatever in the back of their truck.

It gets a little tricky when you look at things like tractors, vehicles, and other "big cost" items, etc. Anything that is delivered to you by a company that has multiple locations, including locations in the state being delivered to, will be required to report and charge the sales tax because you are in fact buying from a vendor in your home state. A good example would be buying a washer/dryer at Sears in Portland, but having it delivered to your house by Sears. They have stores in Washington, so their accounting has to report sales/deliveries in that state as well. But if you buy it from Sears in Portland and pick it up in Portland, you are now in the position where you are supposed to report it yourself. Depending on the vendor, even if they don't have stores in your home state, they technically supposed to charge and report the sales tax if they are making the delivery to that state. Some vendors simply don't pay attention to that requirement, but if caught they can be fined for it. So, usually, when you deal with a company in a "border" community, they will be aware of and honor the tax laws of the bordering state(s).

If you buy a car in Portland, they will get you when you go to register it. Pretty simple there.

If you finance something, the finacing will be reported to your home state because you are a resident of that state. In that situation, you are required to pay the taxes in order to do the financing through the dealer. If you were able to get your own individual financing without disclosing what you were buying with it (a home equity loan maybe) - then as long as it wasn't a bank transaction (i.e. hand them cash) it would be hard to trace.

So, to answer your direct question...the only way to easily avoid the sales tax by purchasing in Oregon would be to 1) buy from a single-location dealer, 2) pay for the item in real paper cash, 3) pick up the tractor at the dealer.

Of course, like ByronBob said, you will be losing out on good local dealer support (while required by the manufacturer to honor warranty items, your local dealer may not be too happy or enthusiastic about doing work on something he didn't sell). And, if you happen to be driving over the bridge into Washington and get stopped by the WSP (they do occasionally monitor it) and asked for any sort of papers on the machine, you may very well end up paying the taxes anyway. Besides, between the Kent area and the Eastern Washington (read: agricultural heaven), you've got a LOT of good dealers and brands available to choose from.
 
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Tractors here in Ohio are not titled or registered so there is no tracking of used sales that I am aware of. Now ATV’s need to be registered since they have a title and the only way to transfer one when you sell it is to sign the title over, that’s when the tax man comes and takes his cut of your pie. If you did not register it when you purchase it used you have to when you sell so the new owner can get the title. They get ya coming and going. This guys sounds like he is trying to save some money and has lurking on this web site for a while so I am pretty convinced he did not fall off the pickle wagon last week. I say more power to ya and keep researching ways to save $$$$.
 

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