new to the mulching world

   / new to the mulching world #1  
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2007 T300
Hey board I am a first time poster on here.and just looking for a little direction.I live in virginia about 30 min west of richmond.Their are not many here in the business so the market is right. hopefully. I have driven a t300 with the bob cat mulcher and seems to be a great unit. I have also worked with the rc100.and looked at the fecon mulcher.Any advice would be great.Both are used units with new mulchers. Just not sure which one to get.
 
   / new to the mulching world #2  
I hear the BOBCATs overheat...But we all know in the right conditons they may all overheat.....The ASV is better i feel....more guys running those-Or a CAT....Welcome to the net...
 
   / new to the mulching world #3  
Drive a Cat and you'll never go back to Bob. Buy the biggest one you can afford.
 
   / new to the mulching world #4  
You may want to check out getting a Rayco C87L or Fecon FTX90L.

Built for the job....

jb
 
   / new to the mulching world #5  
I have no experience with Rayco or Fecon, but I have heard they have trouble with the Deutz engines. And when compared to the ASV RC100, the ASV has over 50% more torque. Rayco and Fecon do have steel tracks. In my opinion, I would get the RC100 if you are staying around 100HP or less. If you want more, I would look into the Fecon FTX140.
 
   / new to the mulching world #6  
As a manufacturer of attachments, it would not be advisable for me to recommend a particular type of carrier over another ;) . Politics, politics...

But I may say this:
  • the customer who bought our first front-mount head put it on a Gehl 7810 and never had problems with it;
  • a few CAT 287B tracked skid-steers have been running with our heads without problem either;
  • the new CAT 297C seems to be a good machine also;
  • we sold a fair number to go on Supertrak SK120, and they have been running good also from what I was told;
  • and I know a few people running ASV RC100 and they were working ok from what I've heard.

Often, the overheating problems seen on some attachments come from that they have a fixed-displacement hydraulic motor. These motors generates more heat because they repeatedly go in relief under effort. On a variable-displacement motor, when the attachment is under effort, the displacement of the motor changes to a higher-torque volume instead of going in relief. Granted, variable-displacement motors are more expensive. But you might end up saving on the number of skid steers you burn down. :D

Here's a picture of that first front-mount unit (DAF-180, now DAF-180E, which has a more robust pusher bar than the bent one shown here ;) )

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Good luck with your business!


Frederic
 

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Frederic,

How does your head work in areas with lots of rock?

jb
 
   / new to the mulching world #8  
If you need to mix material into the ground to make the nicest finish possible, as some land owners wants it, then I'm not sure that a "brush cutter" is the tool of choice.

However, for ground-level or above operations, if you're in an area with lots of rocks, you'd probably be better working with an excavator rather than a skid steer, whichever the cutting technology is your attachment equiped with. If an excavator is no option for you, and you know you'll work in rocky conditions most of the time, I'd honestly recommend to look at a machine different than the brushcutter-chippers we make.

However, if you might consider an excavator-mount machine, here's a few things to think about:

On the excavator, you'd have better control and visibility over what you're doing, and that translates in longer blade life, and thus lower operating costs. To give you an idea, speaking for our machines, our customers report on average a life of 300 hours on excavator-mount brushcutter-chippers, some really good operators bringing this up to 600 hours or more (but let's keep with 300 hours). On front-mount brushcutter-chipper, the life is more between 80 to 120 hours.

Granted, the excavator-mount cost more before being ready to run (piping, hosing, installation labor, extra hydraulic stuff, etc...). But you could make up for the difference in half a year, just on the blade expenses:

Let's take our DAF-180D: 74" cutting width, 27 knives, for skid steer 70 hp and up with high flow, 30500$ US list price. If the blades cost 50$/each (our premium blades are actually a bit under that), and your in rough condition that gives you only 80 hours of life, you'd then end up with a cost of blades of 16.88 $/h.

Now, comparing with a DAH-125D: 48" cutting width, 17 knives, for excavators 80 hp and up, probably around 46000$, all installed, with optional hydraulic door (to limit projections). Still at 50$/each blade, reaching 300 hours of life, you'd end up with a cost of blades of 2.83 $/h.

Just by the difference in blade cost, you'd make up for the difference in 1100 hours (approx).

And with an excavator, any big tree you need to chip, you can chip it standing, from the top down, far from the rocks. With the skid steer, you need to make it fall, and then chip it lying on the ground, and thus going in the dirt, and all... That doesn't help blades life.

On the other end, an excavator might not be as easy to move around as a skid steer can be.

But also to be considered, when you're working with the skid steer, you need to use energy to move the carrier for every 74"-wide passes you have to do. With the excavator, you need to use energy to move the whole carrier for a much wider pass (reach of the boom from one side to the other).

You might start thinking you'll need both a skid steer and an excavator, hey?... Or at least that nothing is perfect down here :D


Hope this helps a little nonetheless...


Frederic :)
 
   / new to the mulching world #10  
elk land restoration said:
Hey board I am a first time poster on here.and just looking for a little direction.I live in virginia about 30 min west of richmond.Their are not many here in the business so the market is right. hopefully. I have driven a t300 with the bob cat mulcher and seems to be a great unit. I have also worked with the rc100.and looked at the fecon mulcher.Any advice would be great.Both are used units with new mulchers. Just not sure which one to get.
I can only tell you my story, I will try to make it short, heres goes. I did my research about 5 months ago and this is what I did. I bought a Fecon FTX90L, it has the Fecon head, whick I think is the best (for my work) This machine has the extra cooling and forestry package, steel tracks, winch, pressurized cab, much heavier duty unit built for forestry work. I talked to several people with other brands and found out their problems, overheating, track problems. undercarriage problems, no forestry package, non-pressurized cabs. The Duetz engine, did have a problem, but I think that was a problem, with just a certain series and the factory has replaced all them, including mine. 2008 they are built with Yanmar (I think, more hp FTX100L) they sell new for about $95,000-$100,000. I wouldnt recommend buying a new machine right now, things are real slow everywhere. Lots of people selling out, you can pick up a used machine at a good price. Im not trying to bad mouth any other brands, there are a bunch of RC100 in our area, One of the reason is, they are cheaper. There are also quite a few in the salvage yard, they have a history of catching fire, too many areas for the debris to collect and get close to hot areas, most of them use Fecon heads. Cat's I heard the new ones was a lot better, but stay away from the older models. My 2 cents, for the money is Fecon/Rayco, then RC100, I dont like the other brands, some of them have just come on the market and I dont think they have their act together yet. Do your research, call up a few contractors and ask them if they are using this mulching machine to clear their land, its good to have some customers in advance.
I do recommend leasing the machine, even if you have the money to pay for it, its a tax write off. If you need a good Leasing Co. send me a PM and I will pass it on, they are great.
Do your homework, what you going to pull it with? Lots of info about this on different sites. In my opinion, a Ford F350 is not rated to pull my machine and trailer. I bought a International 4700 hauler,($15,000) new 10 ton tilt trailer ( $11,000, I didnt need a 10 ton, but it was only $200 more) 2006 Fecon $80,000 In most cases a single axle dump truck will pull the mulcher.
Type in mulching, in the search box and read all the good information, thats what I did. I think the reason you dont see a lot of Fecon/Rayco machines, is they cost quite a bit more. For general mulching the RC100 and FTX90L is big enough, for the small lots and small acreage, of course I would love to have the FTX140L, what a machine, but it would be too big for me to do selective thinning, of course bigger truck and trailer
Thats all, do your homework and goodluck
 

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