New tires or Mattracks?

[mikeyd]

With the mourning frost and thaw combined with some wet weather I have found out that the stock worksite tires on my RTV1100 are about useless on the slippery greasy clay we have here in upstate NY. They have been working just fine since I got the machine in May and they go easy on the lawn, so I will definitely continue to use them for that portion of the year. Trouble is, this time of year they load up with clay on the trails and I'm done. So, I have to do something.

I like the idea of the mattracks, but thay seem like overkill and the price of 7k is way up there.

Will a new set of aggressive ATV type tires make that much difference over the worksites or would I be throwing my money away. If new tires are the way to go, what do you guys recommend? I would also get new rims as well to make the changeover easy when I change them each year. Should I go with a taller or wider rim and tire? Where can I buy this stuff?

I do have mudlights on my Honda Foreman and they work good. Would a similar tire work well on my 1100?

If any of you guys made the switch from the worksites I would appreciate hearing from you.

 

[milkman]

A lot of people are using the 589s and I think they are about as good as you can get next to tracks. A friend has a Rhino and every time he turns on the grass, his 589's really rip up the turf, of course you don't have the locked rear end unless you choose to so you might get away with them on the lawn if it's not muddy and you don't get real crazy. Everything I've heard, the 589's really work well in the slick stuff.

 

[mikeyd]

A lot of people are using the 589s and I think they are about as good as you can get next to tracks. A friend has a Rhino and every time he turns on the grass, his 589's really rip up the turf, of course you don't have the locked rear end unless you choose to so you might get away with them on the lawn if it's not muddy and you don't get real crazy. Everything I've heard, the 589's really work well in the slick stuff.

What are "589's"? Will they fit standard sized rims?

 

[Dmace]

What are "589's"? Will they fit standard sized rims?

ITP TIRES - ITP 589 Tires

 

[TOMMYHPX4X4]

27"589's digs into mud like there ain't no tomorrow. my winch gets dusty sitting up front useing these tires .they some really good long lasting mud tires.

 

[Dmace]

That is one bad @ss looking unit!

 

[Robert_in_NY]

The mattracks would be an advantage in the snow if you get a decent snowfall. But if you don't plan on using the RTV in the snow then go with an aggressive tire that has good self cleaning lugs. The worksite tires are good for hard ground but have too close of a tread for being good with clay.

Personally, I think you should go with the mattracks and have a blast driving thru anything and everything. Then you can post lots of pictures

 

[TWO GUNS]

TIRES ARE:

ITP 589 M/S >>> AT 27-9-12 **** FRONT

ITP 589 M/S >>> AT 27-11-12 **** REAR

And I will say, they ride much better than the OEM Kubota ATV style tires that I had ~~~

THEY PULL LIKE CRAZY !!! I'LL NEVER PUT ANYTHING ELSE ON ~~~

Go here, and scroll down, you can see pics and read all about 'em !!!

Compact Tractor Review - NEW FEET ON RTV

 

[TOMMYHPX4X4]

ever sinse i got the 589's i mainly just lock the rearend up and thats good enough but if it gets to deep i put it in"3-1/2 WHEEL DRIVE" and i go through anything. they do really good in mud the bad part is they will throw basketball sized chunks of mud off the tires when you go fast so slow down for oncoming cars or you will launch one onto thier windshield.lolhere is my son he was coming out of the mud hole the deepest i went withit so far was just up to the enclosure vent sometimes i ducktape it to be on the safe side .

 

[mikeyd]

TIRES ARE:

ITP 589 M/S >>> AT 27-9-12 **** FRONT

ITP 589 M/S >>> AT 27-11-12 **** REAR

And I will say, they ride much better than the OEM Kubota ATV style tires that I had ~~~

THEY PULL LIKE CRAZY !!! I'LL NEVER PUT ANYTHING ELSE ON ~~~

Go here, and scroll down, you can see pics and read all about 'em !!!

Compact Tractor Review - NEW FEET ON RTV

Hey Two Guns,
I went to allterrainonline.com and they have the essex tires with 589 tread type, same size as yours front and rear. They claim the essex tires are rated for 1190 lbs. What do you think of this set up for my RTV1100?

 

[TWO GUNS]

mikeyd,
Essex are good tuff tire, and have aggressive treads. BUT WILL BEAT THE HE// out of you. My close friend, who owns a construction company, went threw the ESSEX thing >>>>> purchased the Essex & put them on one of his RTV, and one set on a Rhino, back in I think June or July. I've rode with him on both units and they like to beat to death not only the machines, but like to beat us to death, 6 weeks later, he yanked them ruff things off, give them away to one of his employees, and purchased the 589's. I would walk, ( & he said the same ) before I rode on anything that had them tires on them. I swear, they are that bad. Now, that being said, let me also say, they will pull, and they are very aggressive, but my GOD !!!!
I am not making this statement to throw off on the Essex, but, I would have never believed any tire, whoever makes it, could be that bad. It's a wonder he has any bolts & nuts still togeather on either one of his units. After he purchased the 589's, and rode with him with them on, that when I made the decision to go with the M/S 589 27" tires, matter of fact, they made my RTV ride better that the OEM atv's that came with the RTV.

 

[mikeyd]

I just wonder if the 589's are heavy duty enough for the weight of the 1100. Remember, this machine weighs almost 2500 lbs. unloaded. Thats around 625 lbs. on each tire. I routinely carry 1000lbs. in the bed and have had over a ton in there. Essex now makes a 25" inch, 10" wide surefoot tire which is the same size tire I have on now. What is the advantage of the taller 27" inch tire, if any? Will I need a lift kit with the 27" tire? Is the bolt pattern on the 1100 the same as the 900? Thanks for all your help.

 

[TOMMYHPX4X4]

the 589's should handle it.

 

[TWO GUNS]

mikeyd

In your case, I would get the 26" tires. The reason for the 27" tires on mine in for running in deeper mud down here in the swamps. Taller tires give my machine less chance of dragging bottom. The 26 " 589's will work great on the RTV 1100, we have maybe five units in my area that has the 26" 589, and they run the heck out of 'em. Getting stuck with these tires are the lease of your worries .... Even the 25" ~~~ ten's and twelves would work just perfect on the RTV 1100 series ~~~~
On my RTV 900, I don't have a lift kit ~~~

 

[mikeyd]

Well I pulled the trigger today on the Essex 27" surefoot tire kit. Includes four tires, rims and lugs. Fronts are 9" wide and rear are 11" wide. I didn't go with the 26" tire because it only comes in the less aggressive 489 tread and after getting stuck yesterday with the worksites I want the most aggressive tread available.

Spoke to the people at allterrainonline.com and they recommended the lift kit but said I could go ahead w/o at first and if I experienced rubbing I could get it later. I may just call them tomorrow anyway and have them send it. I guess I am concerned about raising the center of gravity. They said it only raises the machine such that you gain about 1" of ground clearance. As they explained it to me it not so much a body lift kit as it is a wheel lift kit for tire clearance.

Anybody got any thoughts one way or the other on the lift kit?(its $179)

I did strongly consider the regular 589 tire which are very similar to the ITP mudlites on my ATV. Both are 6 ply tires, but I felt the sidewall on the mudlights and it is just not there for my use. Yesterday I was hauling all of a ton of heavy sand and rocks with me and a buddy, pushing 4500 maybe 5000lbs. Lots of off chamber driving with that kind of weight etc. I need a sidewall. The rough ride doesn't concern me too much as I use this machine as a workhorse not so much as a trail or passenger machine. I would rather have the stability when hauling heavy loads, which is my typical use.

 

[TOMMYHPX4X4]

i think i would have went with a 26" 589 the sidewall is tough i would say they look like run flats. but i wouldn't even put them in the same catagory as a mudlite .let us know how them essexx work out.

Well I pulled the trigger today on the Essex 27" surefoot tire kit. Includes four tires, rims and lugs. Fronts are 9" wide and rear are 11" wide. I didn't go with the 26" tire because it only comes in the less aggressive 489 tread and after getting stuck yesterday with the worksites I want the most aggressive tread available.

Spoke to the people at allterrainonline.com and they recommended the lift kit but said I could go ahead w/o at first and if I experienced rubbing I could get it later. I may just call them tomorrow anyway and have them send it. I guess I am concerned about raising the center of gravity. They said it only raises the machine such that you gain about 1" of ground clearance. As they explained it to me it not so much a body lift kit as it is a wheel lift kit for tire clearance.

Anybody got any thoughts one way or the other on the lift kit?(its $179)

I did strongly consider the regular 589 tire which are very similar to the ITP mudlites on my ATV. Both are 6 ply tires, but I felt the sidewall on the mudlights and it is just not there for my use. Yesterday I was hauling all of a ton of heavy sand and rocks with me and a buddy, pushing 4500 maybe 5000lbs. Lots of off chamber driving with that kind of weight etc. I need a sidewall. The rough ride doesn't concern me too much as I use this machine as a workhorse not so much as a trail or passenger machine. I would rather have the stability when hauling heavy loads, which is my typical use.

 

[TWO GUNS]

mikeyd ,

You wanted agressive tires, well , you got 'em. They will pull now ..
Probobly find out that you will hardly ever engage your front end
The difference in the ATV tires that came with my RTV, and my new
tires,is daylight and dark ~~~~ Places that I would engage my front end, now just walk threw it in two wheel drive like I was on blacktop ~~~~



Happy you got new feet on, should go anywhere you want to go.

 

[TOMMYHPX4X4]

pictures.pictures.lol muddy pictures

 

[mikeyd]

mikeyd ,

You wanted agressive tires, well , you got 'em. They will pull now ..
Probobly find out that you will hardly ever engage your front end
The difference in the ATV tires that came with my RTV, and my new
tires,is daylight and dark ~~~~ Places that I would engage my front end, now just walk threw it in two wheel drive like I was on blacktop ~~~~



Happy you got new feet on, should go anywhere you want to go.

I sure hope they are better then the worksites....I mean absolutely useless in the mud. I don't know about the mud you guys get in the bayou, but up here in Albany, NY we don't get deep soupy mud, we are on clay so its hard but greasy. You can't hardly walk on it. I got stuck yesterday going up a very slight incline and then it slid sideways halfway down the incline. Had to get the mini excavator out to spin it around pointing downhill to get it moving. If I am on the trail and it is off camber in the slightest the machine feels like its going to slide right off the trail. I am afraid I'm going to end up in a ravine. No fun in a 15k , 2500lbs. machine.
This is the time of year I like to go in the woods to get firewood and pull vines off the tree's etc. I am also thinking about tapping some maples this spring. So I am hopeful this setup will do the trick.

 

[TOMMYHPX4X4]

should get a good bite if not you got a winch don't ya??