Buying Advice New small land owner.. what do I need?

   / New small land owner.. what do I need? #31  
I am by no means an expert, but I went through a similar situation in the last 2 years myself.

I have 4.5 acres, 1.5 acres pasture, 2 acres woods, 1 acre yard. Have two horses, 2 pigs, 10 chickens.

First off,
1. Nicer lawn tractor with 46 deck or larger with snowplow blade (probably $3500
>>>>>I tried to do this got a husqavarna with attractive financing 0% at 4 years, got a 52 inch deck garden tractor variety, with locking rear end. It is nice and does more than i could ask of it, but i have a circle drive that is all slanted and on hill, it makes it hard to justify using a plow with the lawn mower. The plows are not cheap, similar to cost of a rear blade 3pt attachment. I used this to haul a wagon for manure for horses and to mow. I still shoveled at this point.
2. Zero turn 46-50 deck $3000 so need to add plow to my truck for driveway. Plow = $1000-1500 new.
>>>>> To be honest, I never considered a zero turn. I got my mower to try snow removal and other chores. Zero turns mow nice, but that is all they do well.

3. New Compact utility tractor (25hp, 60 + belly mower, loader, and plow ($14,000 plus) not feasible in 2017 or 2018... maybe 2019
4. Old small tractor from 70痴 or 80痴 or some decade with a pull behind finish mower attachment. ($3000-$8000?)
>>>>>Here is where my story takes a turn. I wanted a tractor for snow, so I luckily had access to an old tractor of my dads a yanmar ym1500 a 1970s diesel 18 hp tractor, no loader. But had good 3 pt and was going to use a blade and maybe plow up a garden. It didnt run i knew it needed work. I put 500 dollars into new starter and new front tires and battery. I was able to get it running well last summer and drove it around, didnt really have any attachments yet. Then it started getting cold and before i got into buying a blade, i wanted to make sure it would start reliably in the winter. All **** broke loose, Ignition switch went out while cranking, so i didnt buy a blade and shoveled for awhile, i tried again on a warmer day. No go. it started leaking from rear axle seal, fron crankcase cover, and fuel line. It kind of sucked. I was disheartened. Got through winter, warmer than usual not as much snow. Started to look at tractors in the spring. Decided to sell the yanmar and save some money up for another tractor, looked at used ones on craigslist and roadside. Was looking at kubotas or and old ford 8n or something for around 2 to 3000, Well kubotas for whatever reason people think a 1980s b is still worth 9000 dollars and i really would like loader which jacked up price on most used. So i started looking at new tractors, got quotes, on a kubota b and L and got quote on kioti ck series, as well as massey ferguson, (didnt look at john deere to rich for my blood), mahindra, new holland, LS,Branson, and more. Some where comparable but due to dealers being close i narrowed it down to kubota and kioti. I thought of a subcompact bx or cs(kioti). But decided if i ever move i dont want to outsize my tractor upon getting more property. Moved on to the kubota b and the kioti ck 2510. These are comparable size, handy good size for property capable and can lift more as well as have mid mount mower options. I didnt need a mid mount mower as i had a great mower, so I could save some money by jumping up in size to the larger frame compacts. I was down to the L2501 kubota and CK 2610H kioti. These where substantially beefier in all ways, motors are bigger displacement but tuned down to be below emissions requirements. So i decided i would like the larger frame to better suit myself for future use.( both these lines can have bigger motors with more hp but cost more) I got a qoute of 20000 for the l2501, It was a little high for my blood, thats before tax. I went to kioti dealer and got a quote for 16500 before tax. The kioti also offered 6 year 0% intrest with 6 year warranty. (better than what kubota was offering at the time). So i went with it and got the CK2610 Kioti. I have had it for a month, put 8 hours on it so far. Use it for cleaning stalls, plowed up garden, cleaned up pasture, hauled wood in my woods to campfire and cleared out a new trail. Used to move mulch around. I plan on adding gravel in front of barn as well as keep up general maintenance. Have not been through a snow season with it but i am sure i will love it.


Moral of the story is, I originally went with a garden tractor, quickly realized it didnt meet my needs. Now i could have bought a lighter yard tractor to mow with and saved alot of money, but what is done is done. But I have found so many uses for the tractor and am happy I went with it. Every land owner I have talked to that got a compact tractor says they wish they bought one years ago and said they will never go without. They are expensive long term investments. But you will find a use for them. Also with attractive finiancing, it really isnt too bad, I put zero down 6 year 0% interest. my payment is like 240 a month. And that is the bigger frame tractor line. a subcompact, i think would suit you well. they are capable and even if you wanted more, it will be more capable than a mower,zero turn, or old tractor without loader. You also get the whole tractor hobby that goes with it. I spend time looking for deals on implements i may want. Cleaning it, and working it. It is fun, my wife said motor cycle or a tractor, not both. I will never look back now and regret my decision.
 
   / New small land owner.. what do I need? #32  
This last winter was my first with a tractor. Can confirm that using the bucket sucks. Ended up using the box blade in reverse. Still took a long time. Then again that was 12ish inches of heavy slush, not actual snow. I'm budgeting for a scrape blade and edge tamers before this winter. And a 30HP tractor is a bit light for moving snow long distances.
 
   / New small land owner.. what do I need? #33  
First off let me state before I begin, I am the world's biggest cheapskate. I hate to spend money....unless it is on the grandkids...... but that is another story. My weakness is tools and stuff. But since I'm spending your money here goes.

First: During the last big snowstorm here I cleaned off 35+ driveways in the neighborhood with a 22-hp Kioti CK-20S and a $179 rear blade. I also cleared one lane of twisty paved road for about a half mile. Why on God's green earth would you spend money to buy a snowblower for 150' of paved driveway? Or a $1500+ blade for your truck? I don't know how much snow you get but that seems like using a 50-cal to shoot squirrels.

Second: For mowing grass get something that is DESIGNED TO MOW GRASS. Our 1.1 acre with all the trees and landscaping took 2.5 hours with a tractor type (16-hp, 46") and 1.5 hour with a small ZTR (16-hp, 40"). With our Bad Boy (24-hp, 54") it takes about 1 hour. So, taking our yard as a example compared to yours, a tractor type will take you ten hours a week to mow, a small ZTR six hours a week, and a larger ZTR about four hours. I don't know if you are retired or still working but ten hours a week mowing???? Plus I spend less than half the time using a trimmer since we have the ZTR. Probably less than an hour every other week as opposed to a couple hours when we had the tractor type. We have a LOT of trees, buildings, patios, and flower beds. As I said above, using our yard as an example, if you work 40 hours a week, with a tractor type you will be mowing or trimming until dark two or three days a week.

My 92-year old mother mows between 4 and 5 acres weekly with a Husqvarna tractor type mower. It takes her all day but she enjoys being out. Half of her yard is wide open with no trees and she just goes back and forth with no obstacles to mow around. The mower is about two months old now and cost $2200. It has a 54" deck and a Kohler engine. Her old mower of the same brand had a 48" deck and Briggs engine. It took her two days with the old one but only one day with the Kohler powered mower. It is much faster plus it uses less gas.

Most people who get a CUT or SCUT to mow use them for a year or two then buy a true grass cutting lawn mower. Also I have to be careful with my little Kioti because if is the least bit damp it will leave shallow ruts in the yard. I can just imagine how rough the yard would be if I had a belly mower and tried to mow with it. Plus using a CUT to mow means you have to do a lot of trimming. That is more time spent on yard care.

Third: I have 1-acre lot. I have a ZTR that I mow with (if I can beat the wife outside to get on it first). I also have my little Kioti that I use on our place and my daughter's places and my mother's farms, well you get the idea. But just on our one acre the little beast has paid for itself in the landscaping we have done. My wife has probably put two or three hours on it the past month just hauling flower pots and other crap around the yard. It is a very useful tool BUT not a necessary one. I actually do not HAVE to do all that landscaping, tilling, bush hogging, etc. I do have to mow the grass.

In conclusion: Since I am spending your unlimited back account I would first buy myself a larger Zero Turn Mower to keep from spending all my free time mowing the yard and trimming. I have mowed yards with my Bad Boy that have been let go for a couple months. I used the highest setting and made three passes over the same ground. After that first cutting I mowed it every three or four days until I had all the clippings chopped up and the yard under control. That would take care of the rough area. Once I got the yard under control and you saved up a little money I would spend your savings on a CUT to do the other jobs around your home.

Just my ramblings since I am in today with a hurting knee.

RSKY
 
   / New small land owner.. what do I need? #34  
I was in a similar position late last summer. I bought a place with 4.5 acres and mow 2 acres of it, including some pretty good slopes.

The previous owners had done the bulk of the mowing with a tractor and 3-point mower. I planned on having a small tractor anyway and found a good deal on a well used, ugly, but still solid Kubota B6100 HST with 4 wheel drive. It came with a 48-inch brush mower for the 3-point, a 39 inch MMM, a rear blade, and box blade.

I mowed through the end of last season and this spring with my little B6100. The property had been left to run wild a bit by the previous elderly owners so the brush mower is nice to have. With sharp blades, it even does a semi-acceptable cut, though obviously not like a real finish mower. Like others have said, it simply took too long.

It takes me a bit over 3 hours to mow 2 acres with the tractor and 48" mower. Some of that is due to being cautious on slopes, which you wouldn't have to face since your place is flat. When it comes to mowing you just waste too much time maneuvering. "Seat time" can be fun but there's a limit. I guess I've spent enough time doing field work to glamorize it too much.

I ended up getting a Kubota GF1800 front mount mower with 4WD and 60" deck. Not quite as maneuverable as a true zero turn, but the extra stability and 4 wheel drive makes my slope mowing easy and safe. There's also a LOT less string trimming to do afterwards. My mowing time dropped from 3+ hours to 1.75 hours, and that includes mowing a few areas I just wasn't comfortable going with the tractor.

For your mowing, I'd get a good zero turn. A tractor may be a Swiss Army knife for multitasking, but the right tool for the job at hand makes a ton of difference. However..... Run far, far, FAR away from the box store zero turns in the $3,000 range. They won't last and won't be worth fixing.

So of course the answer is to have a tractor AND a dedicated mower.:D In my case it's probably better that I bought the tractor first. Once my wife saw how long the mowing took, there was less resistance to getting a faster mower. I work enough as it is without spending my free time mowing. My wife is also scared of the tractor but is less intimidated by the mower. That way I can get some help with the yard work... at least on the flat areas.
 
   / New small land owner.. what do I need? #35  
One other thing about a zero turn, once your wife learns how to use it you will never have to mow again. Got home this afternoon and told wife that I was going to ice my knee (long story about a successful replacement then overdoing everything) then go out and mow. Next thing I hear is the mower starting. Even before the slight knee setback if I mentioned mowing the yard I had better have my shoes on and hand on the doorknob because if not she is out the door putting on her cap and shoes as she heads for the mower building. First one on it gets to mow.

So you would have plenty of time to play with your tractor while she is mowing........Unless she is the same way with your CUT.

RSKY
 
   / New small land owner.. what do I need? #36  
Well said RSKY. I finally got to mow about an hour yesterday when the wife took a break to take a phone call! We bought a low hour used JD925 commercial zero turn 3 years ago. Wifey has done 99 percent of the mowing on our 2.2 acres since!
 

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