New Owner...DK4510

[SSF556]

Well in 42 years the first new vehicle I have ever bought is a Kioti DK4510. After months of going over numbers, sitting on and driving tractors it is a done deal. Delivery will happen in the middle of January.

Honestly I wanted a Kubota, but after talking to the dealers in my area I walked out of each one with a bad taste in my mouth. I continually asked them what I was getting from a Kubota that I was not getting from a Kioti and none of them could ever give me a good reasonable sound answer. I asked them why the L4701 was thousands of dollars more and really the only answer I got was that it was a heritage tractor brand and I am paying for 80 years of brand equity. I get that, but in todays global economy those days are gone in my mind.

My local Kioti dealer was very responsive and answered all my questions. I am trusting that they will handle any issues that might pop up. I am in the diesel engine business so I understand modern diesels and the DPF. I will post pictures once the tractor arrives and it will be nice to throw away all the competitor brochures.

SSF

 

[cphilip]

NICE! Looking forward to seeing your DK neighbor.

 

[iflywhatevr]

Congrats can’t wait for the pics. As you know DPF or having to use DEF is nothing to be scared of. It amazes me how many people are scared of these systems due to a simple lack of understanding.

You will love the tractor I was set on a Kubota too but for the money couldn’t beat the options on the Kioti.

 

[SSF556]

A DPF is one thing...DEF is a whole other beast. Sensors galore with DEF.

 

[DK35vince]

As you know DPF or having to use DEF is nothing to be scared of. It amazes me how many people are scared of these systems due to a simple lack of understanding.

All I know is we have 4 pieces of equipment at work with the new emission stuff on them and all 4 were had to go back to the dealers this year for regen issues.

 

[VictorW]

Maybe after a few years, these systems will be figured out better with less failures. In the meantime, I like my 2004 model year CK30hst. We've been getting pounded with snow here in Erie,PA. 58 inches over the last few days and 16 more coming tonight and tomorrow with the temps staying in the teens. Starts fine with two glow plug cycles, 15 minute warm up, and off to push snow. Even got to pull out a neighbor's plow truck.

 

[SSF556]

Well what would be even nicer is if the Trumpster put an end to all the emissions crap. If he told the EPA to stop at the current emissions level and let the diesel engine industry take a breather and not force changes every 3 years.

 

[coobie]

Well in 42 years the first new vehicle I have ever bought is a Kioti DK4510. After months of going over numbers, sitting on and driving tractors it is a done deal. Delivery will happen in the middle of January.

Honestly I wanted a Kubota, but after talking to the dealers in my area I walked out of each one with a bad taste in my mouth. I continually asked them what I was getting from a Kubota that I was not getting from a Kioti and none of them could ever give me a good reasonable sound answer. I asked them why the L4701 was thousands of dollars more and really the only answer I got was that it was a heritage tractor brand and I am paying for 80 years of brand equity. I get that, but in todays global economy those days are gone in my mind.

My local Kioti dealer was very responsive and answered all my questions. I am trusting that they will handle any issues that might pop up. I am in the diesel engine business so I understand modern diesels and the DPF. I will post pictures once the tractor arrives and it will be nice to throw away all the competitor brochures.

SSF

Made the same choice back in 2008 & 2012 when I bought Kioti tractors over Kubota.Happy with my choice so far.I do own a 2006 Kubota RTV 900 with 850 hours on it so not bashing kubota products.I think you made a great choice in Kioti.Enjoy

 

[SSF556]

Well this showed up yesterday. I was having the dealer hold it for me until we got moved in to our new house and the barn finished.

 

[Twigger]

Re New Owner. I had the same experience as you when I bought my 2013 DK45se HST in Sept. 2014. I hope you are as happy as I am with the tractor. I've now got 900+ hrs. and the only replacement was the battery. (and try not to drive over nails!!) Love the HST. It was the right choice for me. The forks are my most used attachment.

 

[wonfla6]

I have the same tractor bought a month earlier. Please let us know how your first regen goes mine was confusing to me and my dealer. What do you use for fuel on or off road ?

 

[SSF556]

12 hours on the tractor and no regen yet...what was your hours?

 

[wonfla6]

39. 4 hrs but got no regen light so I didn't know what was going on.

 

[SDT]

Well what would be even nicer is if the Trumpster put an end to all the emissions crap. If he told the EPA to stop at the current emissions level and let the diesel engine industry take a breather and not force changes every 3 years.

Bingo, SSF556.

Hopefully, we can get some of this nonsense rolled back but I'm not holding my breath on that.

I have 2, 2016 Kubotas with DPF. I surely did not want to pay the $3,500+ extra for the DPF nonsense but it was too late to find prior models without DPF and I simply put my foot down on DEF, even though I was not yet ready to buy and would have preferred to wait a year or so. Accordingly, I bought one about two years prior than planned, the other about one year. I plan on buying no more new tractors aside from, perhaps, a small sub 30 HP model.

The potential bad news: If the DEF/DPF nonsense is repealed no one will be able to give a DPF/DPF tractor away after it happens. Stay tuned.

SDT

 

[wonfla6]

Bingo, SSF556.

Hopefully, we can get some of this nonsense rolled back but I'm not holding my breath on that.

I have 2, 2016 Kubotas with DPF. I surely did not want to pay the $3,500+ extra for the DPF nonsense but it was too late to find prior models without DPF and I simply put my foot down on DEF, even though I was not yet ready to buy and would have preferred to wait a year or so. Accordingly, I bought one about two years prior than planned, the other about one year. I plan on buying no more new tractors aside from, perhaps, a small sub 30 HP model.

The potential bad news: If the DEF/DPF nonsense is repealed no one will be able to give a DPF/DPF tractor away after it happens. Stay tuned.

SDT

I am kind of surprised nobody has come up with a way to by pass this crap.

 

[Hdoilcan]

I am kind of surprised nobody has come up with a way to by pass this crap.

I was just thinking the same thing the other day.

 

[r0bg]

Congrats on your new tractor. I’ve got basically the same one, a DK5010 that I bought just over a year ago.

I’ll share my thought on regen. First off I’ve noticed it’s hard to be working and notice the lights when they come on for the regen. They’re low on the dash, not very big, and dust tends to make them less visible. That said, I looked down one day about 30-40 hours in and saw the regen lamp either lit up. I didn’t know what to do. I remembered my dealer told me I could cancel it but only one time. He told me I’d be setting myself up for costly repairs if I did it twice. So I finished what I was doing and set out to learn the process.

The following weekend I was prepared with beer and time and I did a forced regeneration. It did it’s thing and I felt like I was back in good with the tractor. I’m ready for the next one and BTW, I noticed the instructions are on a sticker over on the right fender so if you find yourself faced with a regen light lit up just look over and you’ll be good.

Stop the tractor. Set the brake. Idle it. Then press the activation portion of the regen switch for about 2 seconds. The light will begin to flash and the tractor will do its thing.

Tip- Try not to idle the tractor when you’re working. Keep the revs up at least to 1500. I’ve learned here on these boards that diesels do not like idling, it causes regens to be needed more often. I’m at 139 hours now and haven’t yet had my second regen.

 

[xcgreene]

Congrats on your new tractor. I致e got basically the same one, a DK5010 that I bought just over a year ago.

I値l share my thought on regen. First off I致e noticed itç—´ hard to be working and notice the lights when they come on for the regen. Theyæ±*e low on the dash, not very big, and dust tends to make them less visible. That said, I looked down one day about 30-40 hours in and saw the regen lamp either lit up. I didn稚 know what to do. I remembered my dealer told me I could cancel it but only one time. He told me I壇 be setting myself up for costly repairs if I did it twice. So I finished what I was doing and set out to learn the process.

The following weekend I was prepared with beer and time and I did a forced regeneration. It did it痴 thing and I felt like I was back in good with the tractor. I知 ready for the next one and BTW, I noticed the instructions are on a sticker over on the right fender so if you find yourself faced with a regen light lit up just look over and you値l be good.

Stop the tractor. Set the brake. Idle it. Then press the activation portion of the regen switch for about 2 seconds. The light will begin to flash and the tractor will do its thing.

Tip- Try not to idle the tractor when youæ±*e working. Keep the revs up at least to 1500. I致e learned here on these boards that diesels do not like idling, it causes regens to be needed more often. I知 at 139 hours now and haven稚 yet had my second regen.

^^^This. I wanted to add to your, conversation. It's all about heat heeded to burn off soot/particulate. If you are running loaded up most of the time, a regen will be less often as the extra exhaust heat is burning soot off "naturally". If running idle/low load frequently, your exhaust temps are only ~500F or so. Soot/particulate will build up in the DPF, which will require a regen that, when activated, heats the exhaust up to fully loaded temperatures, ~1100 F, to burn off this particulate. Heat is actually why Mahindras engines do not have DPF systems. Mahindra uses an exhaust gas recirculation system, and runs the engine hotter than a typical diesel engine would at lower loads, to meet the emissions requirements.


I would love to see a load/temp comparison between one of these Mahindra mCRD engines and a typical diesel engine, from idle/no load to full rpm/full load.

Whether its better for the longevity of an engine than a DPF regen system, I'm sure will be decided in due time.

 

[kittyhawk]

Hey guys, I know this post is several years old but how's your Dk4510 holding up? I am looking for Honest reviews of this tractor since I'm currently looking at a 2017 DK4510 shuttle shift with 126 hours on it and think it's a good deal at 18.5k. Also I'm wondering what it would cost to ad a rear remote and a third function.
Thanks
David

 

[Bavarian]

Mahindra uses an exhaust gas recirculation system, and runs the engine hotter than a typical diesel engine would at lower loads, to meet the emissions requirements.

This is a BIG misconception. EGR system are actually used to lower the combustion temperatures. The injected fuel will burn slower due to lack of oxigen, that's lowering NOx levels.

Recirculated exhaust gases are cooled before they reenter the engine.