New Max series...

[rwork]

Really, who cares what they class them as?? I'm in the market for a new tractor, but I didn't set out to look for a "SCUT, a CUT or any other abbreviation for class. I'm out looking for the best tractor to fit my needs and budget. I'll not rely on just what anyones web page shows. I'll go look at the features and benefits that a particular brand/model has to offer me, and base my buying decision from that.......I want a machine that will perform the tasks I want to do, and be the best value for my dollar.

So call them what you want.......

Just my 2 cents worth!

 

[SPYDERLK]

Really, who cares what they class them as?? I'm in the market for a new tractor, but I didn't set out to look for a "SCUT, a CUT or any other abbreviation for class. I'm out looking for the best tractor to fit my needs and budget. I'll not rely on just what anyones web page shows. I'll go look at the features and benefits that a particular brand/model has to offer me, and base my buying decision from that.......I want a machine that will perform the tasks I want to do, and be the best value for my dollar.

So call them what you want.......

Just my 2 cents worth!

:thumbsup: ... Realistic
larry

 

[DavesTractor]

Really, who cares what they class them as?? I'm in the market for a new tractor, but I didn't set out to look for a "SCUT, a CUT or any other abbreviation for class. I'm out looking for the best tractor to fit my needs and budget. I'll not rely on just what anyones web page shows. I'll go look at the features and benefits that a particular brand/model has to offer me, and base my buying decision from that.......I want a machine that will perform the tasks I want to do, and be the best value for my dollar.

So call them what you want.......

Just my 2 cents worth!

Might just be the best post out of the 163 so far in this thread.

 

[kootch88]

Wow, a voice of reason. Why is it a new guy to tractors like me was able to meander through the advertising and figure out what I wanted, regardless of who compared what to what? Admittedly I ended up with a Mahindra, but there was no confusion caused by the advertising. There were a lot of great tractors out there and I never paid attention to SCUT or CUT, and to be honest, I didn't know what the heck they were, even though I've read this web site for information for nearly two years. Heck, I still don't know!!

I must say though, when comparing my tractor to the Kubota BX series mine looks like a tractor, and theirs looks like a yard tractor, which is why I did not get that series, and I did not end up with a B series because they were too big., or a MAX28 for that matter. Same holds true for the Deere, the only other serious contender because of proximity to a dealer. The fit wasn't there.

 

[Don87]

Well Don, my bad on not catching the fact you have a Massey.

Calling me a liar doesn't fly, and you will not get support for that comment from anyone that knows me. Calling me imperfect, well that's not a problem!

I'm not coming down to your level, to do so would require personal attacks on your integrity, and that is way out of the realm of a well moderated tractor forum such as this.

I'm already way above the level of anyone that falsely advertises a product. I never have, and never will misrepresent any item I sell.

You are free to deal with your customers as you like. But if you are selling the Max series as a subcut, you are being dishonest.

As I posted........you have the specs, you know it isn't a subcut......you already admitted it once, after that you appeared to backtrack..

And you also know that it isn't fair to compare the Max series with the BX series or any subcut out there.

 

[Don87]

Really, who cares what they class them as?? I'm in the market for a new tractor, but I didn't set out to look for a "SCUT, a CUT or any other abbreviation for class. I'm out looking for the best tractor to fit my needs and budget. I'll not rely on just what anyones web page shows. I'll go look at the features and benefits that a particular brand/model has to offer me, and base my buying decision from that.......I want a machine that will perform the tasks I want to do, and be the best value for my dollar.

So call them what you want.......

Just my 2 cents worth!

Actually, there are thousands that do care.

And when false advertising muddy's the waters it makes it very hard for the first time buyer to understand what he is looking at. And that is exactly why Mahindra has misclassified the Max series..........for the express purpose of taking advantage of first time buyers with limited knowledge of the products in question.

Daves tractor was right...........that was the single best post so far because it enabled me.........thru the words of another buyer to show just how deceptive that Mahindra is with the Max series.

Mahindra does not make a subcomact tractor.

 

[DavesTractor]

I'm already way above the level of anyone that falsely advertises a product. I never have, and never will misrepresent any item I sell.

You are free to deal with your customers as you like. But if you are selling the Max series as a subcut, you are being dishonest.

As I posted........you have the specs, you know it isn't a subcut......you already admitted it once, after that you appeared to backtrack..

And you also know that it isn't fair to compare the Max series with the BX series or any subcut out there.

Don,

This is how Mahindra defines the subcut. You define it your way. I don't really care so much about how Massey or Kubota or JD define sub-cut. But like an astute poster mentioned, who really cares about the label? We are going after the market that Kubota goes after with their BX, but we never set out to make a BX clone and paint it Mahindra red.

Look at our 4035PST vs the Kubota L3940 GST. We are 850 lbs heavier, so over 20% heavier. Darn, what will we call that tractor? It just isn't fair if we call it the same class as the Kubota.

Our 5035 PST vs the L4740 GST, we are 1200 lbs heavier. Well we better not advertise this as a compact because that would be dishonest and deceptive! We don't fit the Kubota mold on this one either.

Lets go to a utility tractor, like the Mahindra 8560 vs the Kubota M8540. Hmmm, we are 1897 lbs heavier, lift more, etc. Well, we better not advertise that as a Utility, because it is 30% more tractor than the Kubota and that wouldn't be fair. Of course our 5035 weighs about the same as the Kubota M8540, so is the M8540 a Compact?

You know Don, I just don't see any way we can advertise honestly. We are going to have to shrink our tractors a little, maybe make them less capable, put on some smaller tires, we can then run it by you and see if that passes your test. :thumbsup:

To the rest of you "non-Don87" Kubota fans, if you read many of my posts you will find that I have a huge respect for Kubota, their dealers, and their products. They have done wonders in the small tractor market, and when they first started people gave them little hope. Now they hold a huge market share. And they did it by defining their own market, building a good product and selling it via good dealers. So my defense of Don's vitriolic criticisms is not meant in any way to disparage Kubota.

 

[AchingBack]

What gives a word its meaning? I propose it is defined by the majority of the people who use it. A nudist finds it "normal" to go naked. The nudist's friends are normal, aren't they? If my friends and I like to congregate with clothes on; aren't we also normal?


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A chief difficulty in managing definition is the need to use other terms that are already understood or whose definitions are easily obtainable. The use of the term in a simple example may suffice. By contrast, a dictionary definition has additional details, typically including an etymology showing snapshots of the earlier meanings and the parent language.

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C.L. Stevenson has identified persuasive definition as a form of stipulative definition which purports to describe the "true" or "commonly accepted" meaning of a term, while in reality stipulating an altered use, perhaps as an argument for some specific view.

Stevenson has also noted that some definitions are "legal" or "coercive", whose object is to create or alter rights, duties or crimes.[2]

 

[murphy1244]

Don,says Actually, there are thousands that do care. Not really. We really don't care anymore about what is a cut scut or a but stuck in a rut. :laughing:

 

[kootch88]

:laughing: You, my friend are a very wise man!! And eloquent as well.