New Luzhong Bearcat 28hp 4wd tractor won't go forward or reverse.

   / New Luzhong Bearcat 28hp 4wd tractor won't go forward or reverse. #11  
The tractor is back and was repaired under warranty. It was a loose clutch plate. Here's hoping it was a one off. Apparently this is only the second luzong that has been returned and the other one was thrashed.

It's still too bad that he initially accused you of abusing the machine.
 
   / New Luzhong Bearcat 28hp 4wd tractor won't go forward or reverse. #12  
It's still too bad that he initially accused you of abusing the machine.
Especially as this dealer makes all the wonderful noises about how well his tractors are prepped and it has a loose clutch plate after 2 hours!!!!!!. Would take the claim of it only being the second Luzhong tractor being returned for warranty work with a HUGE pinch of salt.
 
   / New Luzhong Bearcat 28hp 4wd tractor won't go forward or reverse. #13  
Interesting read. I recall the tractor however in defense it's always good to hear two sides of the story...

Luzhong 280 Series have an external mechanism that operates the detent springs for the gearbox that is directly operated by the clutch pedal. If any gear including HiLo is not fully engaged this mechanism will not allow the clutch pedal to return to the fully upright position thus riding the clutch. We were advised the tractor would creep, the exact symptom of a gear not fully engaged. After phone discussions our client was advised we would charge a call out fee if the fault was operator error, ie gears not fully engaged. After onsite inspection it was determined the clutch was indeed faulty. A clutch, any clutch can warp and / or burn out in a matter of minutes of abuse. The client was advised if we find the clutch in this condition once dismantled it will not be covered by warranty. The tractor was collected by tilt tray, repaired and returned a few days later at our cost. To this date we have not heard back from this customer.

For the technical stuff:
After dismantling I found the clutch friction plate had totally disintegrated, something I'd never seen before. It seems the bonding process had been skipped, all that was left was the loose fibres. Luzhong, like all Chinese tractor companies source their components from other factories. Those that know, know many parts are interchangeable between different brands including Luzhong, Jinma, Foton, etc. This plate could've easily been installed in any of these tractors. The plate lasted 2 hours of use, obviously the fibres were firm enough to escape visual inspection during the assembly. Can I blame this on Luzhong quality control? No. Could I have detected this pre delivery? No. This is an error on the part of the friction plate manufacturer. Unfortunate for both myself and our client it was installed in this tractor.

My thoughts on Luzhong tractors... **** I'd like to go to China and kick some ***. Mechanics are generally great, cosmetics and bolt on assembly suck. Same applies to Jinma, yes we sell Jinma also. Although Jinma tractors arrive with better assembly from the factory the ZL loaders are somewhat lacking. Pre delivery inspection is essential on Chinese tractors.

A thought for prospective purchasers of Chinese tractors... Buy a tractor based on the work it will be doing, not the acreage you have. A larger tractor operating at 50% for 100% of the time will outlast a smaller tractor operating at 100% for 50% of the time ten fold. For loader work, larger tractors have weight, traction and strength behind them. I have done many a repair on smaller tractors being continually pushed beyond their limits. Smaller 25hp tractors have the capability of completing the task however people simply do not realize their limitations, eventually something breaks. To a certain extent yes the 25hp LZ tractors are a little "fragile" as one poster called it, though not when used within their limitations and primary purpose which is to pull. We have sold many Luzhong and Jinma 25hp tractors throughout Western Australia. Considering these are hobby farm tractors and most clients have never even sat in a tractor before they have performed extremely well and proven to be reliable.

By the way... Luzhong and Foton are mostly the exact same mechanics and previously mostly the same cosmetics.

Zonta223... Are you the dealer that continually contacts me for free repair information? Sorry for the abrupt reply mate, there comes a time when you need to stand on your own two feet.

Dean
Clutch failure 2.JPG
 
   / New Luzhong Bearcat 28hp 4wd tractor won't go forward or reverse. #14  
G'day Dean and :welcome: to TBN.

There are always two sides to a story and it is good to hear your side. Looking at your pic it does seem odd but chalk it down to one of those things.

There are alot of people out there ready to put down anything that comes out of China but you get what you pay for as the old saying goes, there are good and bad in all machines out there its just that you hear about some more than others.

I hope you stay tuned into this site as it is always good to have another here with inside knowledge to be able to share, there are quite a few of us from aus on here so welcome to the tribe



Jon
 
   / New Luzhong Bearcat 28hp 4wd tractor won't go forward or reverse. #15  
Thanks for the welcome Jon.

I'm not really a fan of forums, things often get taken out of context and then there's the brand bashing and snide comments... Having said that though, I'm happy to help with any technical question.
 
   / New Luzhong Bearcat 28hp 4wd tractor won't go forward or reverse. #16  
Zonta223... Are you the dealer that continually contacts me for free repair information? Sorry for the abrupt reply mate, there comes a time when you need to stand on your own two feet.

Dean
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No I am not a tractor dealer. Not now never have been. But I did get stuck with a rotten Luzhong that was supposed to have been a Foton tractor. And when I asked you for help you refused. Anyway I won my case and got a full refund. If you want to go into specifics I am more than willing to post the email contacts between us and let other people make their own judgment.
 
   / New Luzhong Bearcat 28hp 4wd tractor won't go forward or reverse. #17  
Ah yes I recall, you were involved in a legal battle with a dealer. The Luzhong was not our import, yes I refused to get involved.
 
   / New Luzhong Bearcat 28hp 4wd tractor won't go forward or reverse. #18  
Yes but you continued to perpetuate the myth that Luzhong and Foton are the same tractor. They are made by two different companies which you refused to acknowledge and have completely different quality control regimes.
You only have to read the forums on here and tractor reviews about Luzhong tractors supplied by that dealer and others and Fumetsu tractors (another re badged Luzhong) to learn just a few of the problems with these tractors.
 
   / New Luzhong Bearcat 28hp 4wd tractor won't go forward or reverse. #19  
Seriously I'm almost done with explaining myself... Zonta that is not correct. I said Foton and Luzhong are different factories yet share the same components, components that are manufactured by the same supplying factory. Put Foton and Luzhong side by side... until recent cosmetic and mechanical changes, virtually no difference. You rang asking for help with your legal battle in writing, I refused. You verbally became angry and short so now you hold that against me? If I recall correctly one of the complaints was a scratch on the hood that was covered by a sticker. In fact by recollection all the complaints about the tractor were trivial. Even so, these should've been resolved by the dealer prior to delivery. Don't get me wrong, I am not defending that dealer nor was I defending that dealer at the time. You were expecting a Foton and received a Luzhong, you were well within your rights to complain.

You are probably correct in saying Foton and Luzhong have different quality regimes however no Chinese tractors are without fault from the factory 100% of the time, I could post dozens of pics. I regard Jinma as having slightly better build quailty yet they are not without faults from the factory including respraying the paint and faulty mechanics. Ask a group of Chinese tractor owners, some will say this brand is good, others will say the exact same brand is bad. Unfortunately some will label a brand bad because of their experience with the seller.

Luzhong are one of the cheapest tractors exported from China and one of the few without sole agent in Australia. Opportunists do the sums and realize there is more profit to be made or they can sell at a very competetive price. Generally these opportunists believe they can push paper and return a reasonable profit without the hard graft. Parts only warranty, extremely competetive price, no pre delivery inspection, etc, etc. Hence the bad rap they are receiving by some.
 
   / New Luzhong Bearcat 28hp 4wd tractor won't go forward or reverse. #20  
Seriously I'm almost done with explaining myself... Zonta that is not correct. I said Foton and Luzhong are different factories yet share the same components, components that are manufactured by the same supplying factory. Put Foton and Luzhong side by side... until recent cosmetic and mechanical changes, virtually no difference. You rang asking for help with your legal battle in writing, I refused. You verbally became angry and short so now you hold that against me? If I recall correctly one of the complaints was a scratch on the hood that was covered by a sticker. In fact by recollection all the complaints about the tractor were trivial. Even so, these should've been resolved by the dealer prior to delivery. Don't get me wrong, I am not defending that dealer nor was I defending that dealer at the time. You were expecting a Foton and received a Luzhong, you were well within your rights to complain.

You are probably correct in saying Foton and Luzhong have different quality regimes however no Chinese tractors are without fault from the factory 100% of the time, I could post dozens of pics. I regard Jinma as having slightly better build quailty yet they are not without faults from the factory including respraying the paint and faulty mechanics. Ask a group of Chinese tractor owners, some will say this brand is good, others will say the exact same brand is bad. Unfortunately some will label a brand bad because of their experience with the seller.

Luzhong are one of the cheapest tractors exported from China and one of the few without sole agent in Australia. Opportunists do the sums and realize there is more profit to be made or they can sell at a very competetive price. Generally these opportunists believe they can push paper and return a reasonable profit without the hard graft. Parts only warranty, extremely competetive price, no pre delivery inspection, etc, etc. Hence the bad rap they are receiving by some.

Well if you consider a tractor with no oil pressure and a FEL with missing and lose bolts everywhere power steering pipes just flapping in the breeze etc etc as trivial!!! what do you consider as major???

A good example of Luzhong/Fumetsu/ lots of other rebadged Luzhongs http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/tractor-...NG-would-suit-tractor-mechanic-/121108649166?
 
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