Any truck drivers out there that the new log book hours of duty is gonna put the hurt on? I drive an expedite box truck, and it is gonna put the hurt on me. The new hours go in effect Jan. 4th. Wal-Mart has said it may have to put 250 new trucks on the road and the trucking industry has predicted up to 40,000 new trucks on the road. That many more trucks has got to mean more accidents, which is what the new hours is supposed to be able to lower. Plus, where are all these trucks gonna sleep at night? After about 9 or 10 at night all the rest areas, truck stops , and on and off ramps are already full of trucks. Look for Wal-Mart and other stores and shippers to raise prices to pay for all of this. This was not in the best interest of the trucking industry or the economy.
New log book rules
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PTFarmer
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Durobob,
What are the new rules as opposed to the old rules ?
What are the new rules as opposed to the old rules ?
On the old rules you had a 15 hour working period. 10 hours driving and 5 hours on duty. Off duty hours...say you ate lunch for an hour and went off duty to do it didn't count towards your 15 hours and sleeper berth didn't count as well.
After your 10 hours of driving you had to be off 8 hours...be it off duty time or sleeper berth and you could have a total of 60 hours for 7 days or 70 hours for 8 days of total driving and on duty hours. On duty hours is the time spent waiting to get loaded or unloaded or fueling...you are on duty, but not driving. The new rules are a total of 14 hours a day which includes 11 hours of driving. That includes off duty time too, so if you want to eat , then that time is included in the 14 hours. The 14 hours cannot be stopped or added to unless you have at least a 2 hour sleeper berth . Say i went home and went off duty in the middle of my 14 hours..that would count against me , but if i went home and slept in my truck in my driveway then it wouldn't. But if i slept in my own bed, it's not allowed...makes no sense does it, because in your bed at home you are off duty. The people that put this together haven't got a clue about trucking. The ones it is gonna hurt most are those trucks that sit in docks a long time to get loaded or unloaded. You sit there a long time and then you might run out of hours before you reach your destination. Then your off duty 10 hours instead of 8. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
After your 10 hours of driving you had to be off 8 hours...be it off duty time or sleeper berth and you could have a total of 60 hours for 7 days or 70 hours for 8 days of total driving and on duty hours. On duty hours is the time spent waiting to get loaded or unloaded or fueling...you are on duty, but not driving. The new rules are a total of 14 hours a day which includes 11 hours of driving. That includes off duty time too, so if you want to eat , then that time is included in the 14 hours. The 14 hours cannot be stopped or added to unless you have at least a 2 hour sleeper berth . Say i went home and went off duty in the middle of my 14 hours..that would count against me , but if i went home and slept in my truck in my driveway then it wouldn't. But if i slept in my own bed, it's not allowed...makes no sense does it, because in your bed at home you are off duty. The people that put this together haven't got a clue about trucking. The ones it is gonna hurt most are those trucks that sit in docks a long time to get loaded or unloaded. You sit there a long time and then you might run out of hours before you reach your destination. Then your off duty 10 hours instead of 8. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Junkman
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Just one more thing that the feel good politicians do to make the working mans life miserable. Put them into a truck or on a loading dock and make them do the work for 8 hours and they would have a new found respect for the working man..... once again, people that don't have to live by the rules, making the rules that we have to live by!!!!!!! Bureaucracy at its finest.............
slowrev
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"Bureaucracy at its finest............."
Yes and ANY politician who says they are out to diminish that bureacracy are lying, what they mean is that they intend to modify it to suit them.
Yes and ANY politician who says they are out to diminish that bureacracy are lying, what they mean is that they intend to modify it to suit them.
thcri
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My personal opinion is that there should be a rule that states when making a new rule they have to get rid of one of the old ones hanging out there. There is rules from back in the 60's that don't pertain to us at all anymore but yet the old rule/code is hanging in there to make things miserable for us.
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I've read all of the doom and gloom predictions about this. One of the best ones was that we wouldn't have enough parking for all of the trucks that would have to be at truckstops instead of out on the road running.
As many of you may know, I'm not totally unfamiliar with or unaffected by this. Different types of trucking will be affected differetly. Longer haul won't see much difference at all and it may well benefit them in terms of revenue production. The short haulers will see some changes, to be sure. If there's a negative side to this, that's where it'll show. It's likely to be the same for LTL, too.
I doubt that the world will come crashing down around us. It's going to be a change and most people don't like change. Dire predictions seldom come true and I believe this will be the same way.
The goal here is safer roads. The argument of more trucks on the road making it less safe doesn't hold water. There may be more trucks sold and licensed, but there are only going to be as many on the road as there is freight to haul regardless of regulations. Those of us in trucking aren't a real smart bunch, but we have figured out that running empty doesn't pay all that well. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
As many of you may know, I'm not totally unfamiliar with or unaffected by this. Different types of trucking will be affected differetly. Longer haul won't see much difference at all and it may well benefit them in terms of revenue production. The short haulers will see some changes, to be sure. If there's a negative side to this, that's where it'll show. It's likely to be the same for LTL, too.
I doubt that the world will come crashing down around us. It's going to be a change and most people don't like change. Dire predictions seldom come true and I believe this will be the same way.
The goal here is safer roads. The argument of more trucks on the road making it less safe doesn't hold water. There may be more trucks sold and licensed, but there are only going to be as many on the road as there is freight to haul regardless of regulations. Those of us in trucking aren't a real smart bunch, but we have figured out that running empty doesn't pay all that well. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Murph,
I prefer what is known as 'Sunset Legislation.' It puts a definite end date to new rules, regulations and amendments. That way they have to be reconsidered at some point and effectively passed again or they simply go away.
It's easier to let a bad law die than it is to fight the battle to change it. This would let that happen.
I prefer what is known as 'Sunset Legislation.' It puts a definite end date to new rules, regulations and amendments. That way they have to be reconsidered at some point and effectively passed again or they simply go away.
It's easier to let a bad law die than it is to fight the battle to change it. This would let that happen.
thcri
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Gary,
I guess I never thought of that!! That does sound better than my idea.
Now would you consider running for President any time in the near future?
murph
I guess I never thought of that!! That does sound better than my idea.
Now would you consider running for President any time in the near future?
murph
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Durbob:
First off, besides farming, my day job is a Michigan steel hauler.
I've been driving class 8 trucks for over 32 years. That's before the de-regulation of the trucking industry.
Trucking is not a glamorous job, despite what JB hunt says. You get to go to all the seedy places not the nice ones.
I am all for the HOS rule changes. It's about time the people in this country realize that if they got it, a truck brought it.
The nice thing about the new rules is that you can't top-line any more to increase your on-duty hours. Trucking is legalized slavery. How many people do you know work 70 hours every week, week end and week out for an hourly wage that can be made at Mickey Dees??
It's about time that the bar in the trucking industry is raised to compensate the driver equitably.
The rates are going to go up and the attitude of companies is going to change from "drivers are a dime a dozen" to "that is a valued employee.
Gone will be the attitude--Go buy a truck and create a job for yourself.
The downside is that the consumer is going to suffer. The price increase will be passed on in an increase in goods and services and that's unfortunate, but, shippers and trucking companies have been riding the good life too long.
The company that I work for as a company driver is changing their attitude already. We are negotiating a new pay and benefit package.
Understand, it will be the responsibility of all shippers to expedite loading and unloading of trucks for the timely delivery of freight. WHAT A CONCEPT!!!!
First off, besides farming, my day job is a Michigan steel hauler.
I've been driving class 8 trucks for over 32 years. That's before the de-regulation of the trucking industry.
Trucking is not a glamorous job, despite what JB hunt says. You get to go to all the seedy places not the nice ones.
I am all for the HOS rule changes. It's about time the people in this country realize that if they got it, a truck brought it.
The nice thing about the new rules is that you can't top-line any more to increase your on-duty hours. Trucking is legalized slavery. How many people do you know work 70 hours every week, week end and week out for an hourly wage that can be made at Mickey Dees??
It's about time that the bar in the trucking industry is raised to compensate the driver equitably.
The rates are going to go up and the attitude of companies is going to change from "drivers are a dime a dozen" to "that is a valued employee.
Gone will be the attitude--Go buy a truck and create a job for yourself.
The downside is that the consumer is going to suffer. The price increase will be passed on in an increase in goods and services and that's unfortunate, but, shippers and trucking companies have been riding the good life too long.
The company that I work for as a company driver is changing their attitude already. We are negotiating a new pay and benefit package.
Understand, it will be the responsibility of all shippers to expedite loading and unloading of trucks for the timely delivery of freight. WHAT A CONCEPT!!!!
