Price Check New Holland TC40D with FEL and Backhoe pricing

Libertine · Sep 17, 2003

jcollins:

Thanks for clearification on tires. Do you know actual size (i.e. 16.5 x 10 etc, etc) of the "little" R1's vs. "big" R1's? Are the R4's set up the same big/little? Reason I ask is to see which ones I got & since I may get R1's later, which one to get. Thanks.

JEH

Hoeman00 · Sep 17, 2003

R-1 have a large and small size, only one R-4 size 10-16.5 front and 17.5-24 rear.
Specs are on NH website.

I wouldn't run a 3 pt hoe on one of these either but for 4995 for a 9000 hoe, get it and a subframe and still be 1500 or so less than anyone else.

The dealer I deal w/ in Mt. Vernon OH.

Libertine · Sep 17, 2003

Hemmerich:

Sounds like a plan, doesn't it. 

Sure does . . .

Depending upon the dealer, supersteer, I called it hydro steer accidently, ranges from $1,000 to $1,500 

If this is correct, then the price at my dealer would have been $30k for the equipment you described.

The dealer has stated a three point hitch BH is not recommended and that they had a client put one on a tractor against their recommendation and he broke the tractor in half. 

Not recommended. Absolutely not recommended. You may get away with it, but for me it wouldn't be worth the risk. Others have mentioned Woods (which has a good reputation). I don't know that much about the Woods, but I do know something about Bradco BH's and I suspect the Woods is probebly similar. Bradco offers subframes for many different tractors (last fall it was 50+). These are permanently mounted to the tractor and allow the BH to be hooked up easily and DO provide proper protection to dispurse the twisting forces through the subframe to the loader frame rather than through the power train (engine/trans/rear axle). I would think Woods offers subframes as well.

To me, the advantages of the NH BH is that when you drop the BH the subframe stays with the BH, not on the tractor which leaves it "cleaner" for other uses. You don't even have to remove the 3pt to mount the BH. The advantages to the Bradco (and I guess the Woods with subframe) is mounting/demounting the BH is easier. Also, you can take the BH with you (just get a new subframe) when you switch tractors which is nice since you only take the depreciation hit once. Frankly, I almost bought a Mahindra for their BH (they offered the Bradco real cheap with the tractor). I seriously considered it because if I didn't like the Mahindra I could have bought something else and taken the BH with me. Woods probably offers subframes for many different tractors but I don't know for certain - you'd have to check with the factory on that. I do know Bradco does. It's sort of 6 of one, half dozen of the other. If you buy NH the tractor & BH are designed together and you should never have a problem with warranty on the tractor if BH did cause problem and tractor is cleaner when BH demounted. With the Bradco (& Woods I would think) you have easier mounting and can take the BH with you to other tractors. One other thing, I don't recall if you were planning to get the NH "quick detach" loader fittings. I got that and have finally started using it (just bought bobcat style pallet forks) and it's REALLY handy. Takes 1 minute to drop bucket and attach forks.

JEH

Libertine · Sep 17, 2003

Hoeman00:

I wouldn't run a 3 pt hoe on one of these either but for 4995 for a 9000 hoe, get it and a subframe and still be 1500 or so less than anyone else. 

Yeah, the specs on the 9000 are better than the 758c I got. The NH hoe was $6400 including subframe. Don't know how much 9000 hoe subframe would be - guess say $500 including install??? So the Woods would be about $1k less and he could take it to other tractors. What I dislike most about the NH 758c (compared to the Woods 9000) is the reach - only 11' from the swing pivot. I think the Woods is 12' or more. On the other hand, it sure digs better than me with a pick, shovel & wheelbarrow!

JEH

Hoeman00 · Sep 17, 2003

I had a 7500 hoe on a Kubota (basicly a power shovel) now the 9000 is lots better.
U can never have enough reach.
I run out of reach w/ my 27' on the 710 Deere.
Woods is great to get parts for the hoe, when I traded my 7500 to the 9000 it came w/ Ford 3000 subframe and I wanted Deere SSL mount ($700 and 3 days it was here).The woods look like a smaller version of my Deere hoe the way it is built, heavy iron

jcollins · Sep 17, 2003

Tire Options for TC40
7x16 / 13.6 x 24 R1 Tread Small Ag
27x8.50 / 44-18-20 R3 Tread Regular Turf
10 x 16.5 / 17.5L x 24 R4 Tread Industrial
8x16 / 14.9x24 R1 Tread Big Ag
27/22LLx15.6 / 22.5LL x 16.1 Galaxy Turf Spceials R3 Tread

Libertine · Sep 18, 2003

Hoeman00:

U can never have enough reach. 

I'm gonna leave that one alone . . . I've never used a 27' extendahoe, but the trackhoes I was used to using were much better than the 11' on the NH 758c. Woods seems to have a good reputation. Guess I could trade, but am getting used to more frequent repositioning/work-arounds with it. And, power shovel or not, it's still a lot quicker than a man (me!) driven shovel for small jobs.

jcollins:

Thanks for numbers. Can see why the "small" R1's would be a bit weak for loader. Guess I'll stick with R4s.

JEH

John_Mc · Sep 18, 2003

( I would think Woods offers subframes as well.)

Yes they do, and for a wide variety of CUTs. In fact, Woods is in the process of updating their subframe design. The new design is supposed to give you much better ground clearance than the old one. They are already available for some of the Kubota CUTs. I saaw one on my local Kubota/NH dealer's lot. I couldn't get much of an idea what it did for ground clearance, since it was not mounted on a tractor yet.

I just bought a used Woods 7500 backhoe set up for 3 pt hitch mount which I want to switch over to subframe mount. I was hoping to pick up one of the new style subframes for my NH TC33D, but they are not available for the NH CUTs yet -- at least not for the class II NH CUTs. Apparently, Woods is waiting for the redesign of the class II tractors before releasing the new-style subframe. I hope they come out with one to fit the old-style class II's!

John Mc

Libertine · Sep 20, 2003

John_Mc:

Using a 3pt Bh on a TC33 would make me nervous, but, glad you havn't had any problems. Ground clearance is weak on the Bradco (at least on a Mahindra). If I recall correctly, angle of departure was less than 10 degrees! The NH hoes are a bit more hassle on and off, but the clearance is better, and, with the hoe off, the underside is much clearer than the others.

JEH

John_Mc · Sep 25, 2003

( Using a 3pt Bh on a TC33 would make me nervous, but, glad you havn't had any problems.)

I'm also nervous about it, which is why I want to switch it over to the subframe mount. I haven't had any problems because the only thing I've done with it so far is to dig a small hole to plant a crabapple tree. Next is a 10' long x 2' deep trench in sandy soil. The real work is waiting until I do the subframe conversion

( The NH hoes are a bit more hassle on and off, but the clearance is better, and, with the hoe off, the underside is much clearer than the others.)

I'd have gone for a NH BH, if there were any used ones around, but finding ANY used BH in this size range has been difficult, and there have been no used NH 757's that I have found.

I just stopped by my dealer again today, and took a closer look at the new Woods subframe design on the Kubotas. They call it their "4 point hitch". It looks amazing. On the Kubota, you lose almost no ground clearance, even though the frame stays on the tractor. The back hoe pops on and off some brackets about as fast as you can change other implements on one of those "quick hitch" 3 point hitch systems. Unfortunately, I still can't get an answer out of Woods on IF they will make one of these for a TC33D (let alone WHEN). They have said they will make one for the new-style TC33DA, but they have a longer wheelbase, so will probably be a different set-up.

John Mc