New Ford Diesel Engine

[DieselPower]

I will defer to the experts on oil. My understanding is that in a barrel of crude, the amount of diesel and other products is relatively fixed. By this I mean, you can't crack the whole barrel into just diesel or gasoline or JP8.
Bob

This is very true. There is only so much diesel, gas, naptha, base oil stock, etc... than can be refined out of a barrel of crude oil. Light fuels are one of the first thing's to come off of crude oil in the refining process. If I remember correctly there is approximately 7 gallons of diesel fuel produced from each 42-gallon barrel of crude oil.

As for heating a home with oil I do. Had a house extenssion put on 2 years ago and had a new oil furnace installed. It was and still is the most economical thing to use. I only use about 600 gallons of fuel in one heating season. Electric heat would cost me 5 times or more to heat with. Natural Gas, don't have any around me. Heat pump, yeah, right. Solar power, maybe in 20 years or so when the price of solar panels come down. So for now it's oil heat.

 

[SkyPup]

Actually, you can get way way more diesel fuel out of a barrel of oil than seven gallons, but then you have to distill the barrel oil primarily for diesel production, with gasoline as a side product, as they do in Europe.

Unfortunately, here in the USA diesel production is primarily a side prouduct of gasoline production which leads to a much much lower diesel cut. Also, since the Europeans refine primarily for diesel, they are able to ship their main waste product, gasoline, over here.

 

[_RaT_]

Actually, you can get way way more diesel fuel out of a barrel of oil than seven gallons, but then you have to distill the barrel oil primarily for diesel production, with gasoline as a side product, as they do in Europe.

Unfortunately, here in the USA diesel production is primarily a side prouduct of gasoline production which leads to a much much lower diesel cut. Also, since the Europeans refine primarily for diesel, they are able to ship their main waste product, gasoline, over here.

I thought I read that we produce more diesel here then gasoline. Seems incredible, I don't recall the source. We tax diesel more heavily then gasoline here in the US and in Europe I understand it is just the opposite. Not sure why a government directs you one way or the other but then, there are tax credits that modify behavior for most everything.

 

[SkyPup]

Over 55% of all new passenger cars in Europe are turbodiesels.

They refine straight-cut diesel from crude with much higher yields per barrel than here, then ship the waste gasoline they don't need for sale over here. That is one of the reasons gas prices here have been falling, due to excess refined gasoline on the European marketwhich they can't use being shipped over here. Of course, in their socialist way, they tax the daylights out of most everything possible.....

 

[NewToy]

Actually, you can get way way more diesel fuel out of a barrel of oil than seven gallons, but then you have to distill the barrel oil primarily for diesel production, with gasoline as a side product, as they do in Europe.

Unfortunately, here in the USA diesel production is primarily a side prouduct of gasoline production which leads to a much much lower diesel cut. Also, since the Europeans refine primarily for diesel, they are able to ship their main waste product, gasoline, over here.

How much diesel do they get per bbl with the European process? I have a hard time wrapping my brain around that. It seems there would be only so much of each constituent in a barrel.

 

[SkyPup]

Nope, it depends on which constituents you wish to isolate and enhance. They get 4-5 times as many gallons of diesel out of a barrel of oil when it is refined primarily for diesel production, and less than 1/2 the amount of gasoline running it straight cut and cracking the aromatics. Gasoline then becomes a waste product of diesel production....the opposite of the way it is setup here in the USA.

 

[QRTRHRS]

I hang on to my 97' Dodge dually because I need it for hauling farm supplies home on occasion. Honestly though, I mostly just use it to get back and forth to my paying job. At 190k, it does not owe me much I figure.

I would think twice about buying a new diesel and then use it for commuting or shopping trips. But then if you have deep pockets then that is your choice.

I do think there is a good future for light truck diesels if the price over a gas engine is not the 6k or so that I am familiar with.

I had a 79' Toyota pickup with a non turbo diesel. Being non turbo, it was a real slug but I got 40mpg with it. I sold it at around 110k to someone else who was still running it at 200+k miles.

 

[_RaT_]

I hang on to my 97' Dodge dually because I need it for hauling farm supplies home on occasion. Honestly though, I mostly just use it to get back and forth to my paying job. At 190k, it does not owe me much I figure.

I would think twice about buying a new diesel and then use it for commuting or shopping trips. But then if you have deep pockets then that is your choice.

I do think there is a good future for light truck diesels if the price over a gas engine is not the 6k or so that I am familiar with.

I had a 79' Toyota pickup with a non turbo diesel. Being non turbo, it was a real slug but I got 40mpg with it. I sold it at around 110k to someone else who was still running it at 200+k miles.

Thats what I would love to see, a truck like the Toyota you mention but with a modern high efficiency, quiet, clean burning diesel. I surely would think the market to be huge. I don't personally care for tons of power just an easy to use mini truck with great economy.

 

[Shimon]

Thats what I would love to see, a truck like the Toyota you mention but with a modern high efficiency, quiet, clean burning diesel. I surely would think the market to be huge. I don't personally care for tons of power just an easy to use mini truck with great economy.

I agree...but unfortunately, Ford/Chevy/Dodge are mired in a HP race to see who can make their engine blow-up first.

There would be a good market for a Ranger size PU with a fuel efficient diesel. I liked the Jeep Liberty diesel when it came out and considered getting one until they discontinued its run.

With the new, quieter, cleaner burning CRD engines coming out...the only thing left for diesel to make its mark in this country with the average joe is for diesel price to get more competitive.

 

[QueBota]

I was in AutoZone the other day picking up an air filter for my 7.3 PowerStroke and was talking to the manager about the new twin turbo engine that is replacing the lame 6.0 debacle. I was under the impression that the new engine was going to be manufactured by International but he was quite sure it is a Cummings. Anyone have any skinny on this?

John

Powerstroke 6.4 maintainence link:

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Dave