New CK20STD Owner with Questions

VictorW · May 25, 2006

Not to get off topic, but I have my fuel gauge on my CK30hst working properly now. New sending unit after the original gave off the wall readings. Then I had to make some corrective bends to the float arm because it did read full for a long time then take a dive down. It uses almost two gallons now and starts to move. 1/4 reading and you need 6 gallons to top off. I can take and post a picture of what I did if anyone wants to work on their gauge.

VictorW · May 25, 2006

Not to get off topic, but I have my fuel gauge on my CK30hst working properly now. New sending unit after the original gave off the wall readings. Then I had to make some corrective bends to the float arm because it did read full for a long time then take a dive down. It uses almost two gallons now and starts to move. 1/4 reading and you need 6 gallons to top off. I can take and post a picture of what I did if anyone wants to work on their gauge.

chelydra · May 25, 2006

( ... Going down the road at whatever speed you wish is not a big deal, except that you need to ensure that you ARE NOT IN 4WD, as hard surfaces and 4WD do not go together well on compact tractors. It will really wear your tires and also can cause gear damage to the front wheel drive assy. ...
John )

Thanks for the always-useful advice, John. I'd like to ask for elaboration on the 4WD/hard-surface issue. While I don't take long road trips, a lot of my tractor work involves dozens of back-and-forth runs hauling chips and dirt. A typical distance is 500 feet, of which about 100 is on asphalt. I figure between dirt/sand "lubricating" the road and the short distance/moderate speed, I'm doing better by not shifting in and out of 4WD.

Is this right, or will even these short distances on pavement cause problems?

Thanks-

Chelydra

chelydra · May 25, 2006

( ... Going down the road at whatever speed you wish is not a big deal, except that you need to ensure that you ARE NOT IN 4WD, as hard surfaces and 4WD do not go together well on compact tractors. It will really wear your tires and also can cause gear damage to the front wheel drive assy. ...
John )

Thanks for the always-useful advice, John. I'd like to ask for elaboration on the 4WD/hard-surface issue. While I don't take long road trips, a lot of my tractor work involves dozens of back-and-forth runs hauling chips and dirt. A typical distance is 500 feet, of which about 100 is on asphalt. I figure between dirt/sand "lubricating" the road and the short distance/moderate speed, I'm doing better by not shifting in and out of 4WD.

Is this right, or will even these short distances on pavement cause problems?

Thanks-

Chelydra

KiotiJohn · May 26, 2006

The front wheels need to be able to slip when in front wheel assist, so if you have enough dirt, etc. on the road, it MAY not be critical, but I personally turn off my 4D as soon as I hit a good hard surface. Most of the time you only need the assist with a loader full in soft dirt anyway.

The front wheels and back don't turn at the same rate when using the front assist, so without the ability to slip, you're stressing the gears and increasing the wear on the tires. The fronts are pulling, the rears pushing, in esscence, so the fronts really need that slipability.
John

KiotiJohn · May 26, 2006

The front wheels need to be able to slip when in front wheel assist, so if you have enough dirt, etc. on the road, it MAY not be critical, but I personally turn off my 4D as soon as I hit a good hard surface. Most of the time you only need the assist with a loader full in soft dirt anyway.

The front wheels and back don't turn at the same rate when using the front assist, so without the ability to slip, you're stressing the gears and increasing the wear on the tires. The fronts are pulling, the rears pushing, in esscence, so the fronts really need that slipability.
John

chelydra · May 26, 2006

( The front wheels need to be able to slip when in front wheel assist ... I personally turn off my 4D as soon as I hit a good hard surface. Most of the time you only need the assist with a loader full in soft dirt anyway.

The front wheels and back don't turn at the same rate when using the front assist ... so the fronts really need that slipability.
John )

OK, I'm sold. I only started using 4WD all the time because someone said that it's easier on the power-train to share the load. I'll try using 4WD only on hills and when digging hard with the FEL.

Thanks!

chelydra · May 26, 2006

( The front wheels need to be able to slip when in front wheel assist ... I personally turn off my 4D as soon as I hit a good hard surface. Most of the time you only need the assist with a loader full in soft dirt anyway.

The front wheels and back don't turn at the same rate when using the front assist ... so the fronts really need that slipability.
John )

OK, I'm sold. I only started using 4WD all the time because someone said that it's easier on the power-train to share the load. I'll try using 4WD only on hills and when digging hard with the FEL.

Thanks!

RedRocker · May 26, 2006

I use 4WD all the time cept on pavement.

RedRocker · May 26, 2006

I use 4WD all the time cept on pavement.

Highbeam · May 26, 2006

Whoops, I thought all the Kioti fuel gauges were like that. Just don't run it dry.

Highbeam · May 26, 2006

Whoops, I thought all the Kioti fuel gauges were like that. Just don't run it dry.

KiotiJohn · May 26, 2006

( Whoops, I thought all the Kioti fuel gauges were like that. Just don't run it dry. )
Some are like that, some are not. Mine will stay on full until about 1/2 the tank is gone, then it will pretty much register correctly to the end. It's not something I was worried about as I can judge pretty well what I've used and as long as the end result is correct, it's not a problem.

I could adjust it, but it's not worth the bother to me. Some of them, though, need to be adjusted.
John

KiotiJohn · May 26, 2006

( Whoops, I thought all the Kioti fuel gauges were like that. Just don't run it dry. )
Some are like that, some are not. Mine will stay on full until about 1/2 the tank is gone, then it will pretty much register correctly to the end. It's not something I was worried about as I can judge pretty well what I've used and as long as the end result is correct, it's not a problem.

I could adjust it, but it's not worth the bother to me. Some of them, though, need to be adjusted.
John

VictorW · May 26, 2006

I understand the reasoning of sharing the load but I guess I'm used to my old tractor without 4wd. I only use the 4wd on my CK30hst when I need the extra traction if the rears start to slip like you mentioned when digging hard with the fel and naturally if you're in some mud or other stuff like when snowplowing. Most of the time, I'll just push the diff lock if I just need a little extra for a short distance but remember, if you do that, it is a little harder to turn because both rears are trying to push you forward.

The rear end is much beefier than the front and should be able to take whatever power the engine can give. Depending on your jobs, you might be surprised how good it goes without using the 4wd.

Have fun playing with the new toy.

VictorW · May 26, 2006

I understand the reasoning of sharing the load but I guess I'm used to my old tractor without 4wd. I only use the 4wd on my CK30hst when I need the extra traction if the rears start to slip like you mentioned when digging hard with the fel and naturally if you're in some mud or other stuff like when snowplowing. Most of the time, I'll just push the diff lock if I just need a little extra for a short distance but remember, if you do that, it is a little harder to turn because both rears are trying to push you forward.

The rear end is much beefier than the front and should be able to take whatever power the engine can give. Depending on your jobs, you might be surprised how good it goes without using the 4wd.

Have fun playing with the new toy.

Dodgeram · May 26, 2006

Victor,
If you don't mind taking a picture of the float fix, I would like to try it.
Mine takes forever to get to 1/2, after it gets there you probably have an hour remaining before it drops to empty /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I only use my FWD when I'm digging with the FEL or moving snow. Most of the time it stays in RWD.
Tom

Dodgeram · May 26, 2006

Victor,
If you don't mind taking a picture of the float fix, I would like to try it.
Mine takes forever to get to 1/2, after it gets there you probably have an hour remaining before it drops to empty /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I only use my FWD when I'm digging with the FEL or moving snow. Most of the time it stays in RWD.
Tom