New 5105 Clutch problem

andrewj · Aug 29, 2005

this happened today - I can't figure out what happened, but the malfunction is definately internal in the transmission. Seems the wet disk stays ingaged - depressing clutch pedal won't dis-engage the clutch. Haven't had it more than 8 months, so I hope dealer will take care of me. I will keep you updated.

Anyone else here have that problem?

JerryG · Aug 29, 2005

Have you checked to see if a wire has been pulled off of a solenoid under the tractor?

andrewj · Aug 29, 2005

Hmm - very possible - but my tractor is a gear driven tractor, not hydro - you still think I should look for a disconnected lead?

I have a wet disk clutch. I don't know if it is mechanical or hydraulic.

any help appreciated.

JerryG · Aug 29, 2005

Most tractors with wet clutches have two clutch packs that are activated by solenoids. I would check to see if any wires are off.

andrewj · Aug 30, 2005

Update - it is mechanical, not hydraulic, and it is a dry disk,not wet. They are coming to get it and I'm sure they will take care of it. Will update you guys when I find out what broke.

beenthere · Dec 15, 2005

What broke?

andrewj · Dec 16, 2005

OK, here goes as to the official explanation:

There is a threaded rod with nuts on it that controls how the pedal affects the clutch. It the length of the rod is out of whack, no workie. The head mechanic at the dealer walked me through some obvious checks while on the telephone. He suspected a clutch linkage adjustment, and he asked me to describe what I saw - and based on my eyes and his brain he was not sure. They sent the salesman (who has become a pretty good friend, real nice guy and all that) to pick it up. They had it fixed the following day, turns out the clutch linkage had worked itself out of adjustment. I appreciate all the tips here, as i have never owned a tractor before and so much is a learning experience.

Muggs · Jan 17, 2006

We will have to stay in touch. I put in my order for a new 5105 yesterday. Am expecting delivery in three weeks.

I am getting the loader, joy stick, bale spear, and fixed pallet forks. This replaces a 1960 MF Deluxe 35.

Do you have the loader, and if so, how does the shuttle perform in loader work?

bobbyjak · Jan 19, 2006

Does your 5105 smoke much at start-up?..My 5205 does..JD says this normal for this engine..5105 & 5205 have same engine..Thanks

bobbyjak · Jan 19, 2006

Please let me know if your 5105 smokes much at start-up..My 5205 does..Thanks

andrewj · Jan 22, 2006

( We will have to stay in touch. I put in my order for a new 5105 yesterday. Am expecting delivery in three weeks.

I am getting the loader, joy stick, bale spear, and fixed pallet forks. This replaces a 1960 MF Deluxe 35.

Do you have the loader, and if so, how does the shuttle perform in loader work?

)

I don't have the loader but I do have the joystick and mid remotes for the loader.

If you will do any bush hogging, you will need to put an armor plate below the gas tank. Careful of that left step also, it is not protected in any way, and can damage A LOT of sensitive electronic stuff it you hit a stump.

Overall, I am happy. But I wish I had upgraded tires to 16 by 28 instead of the 14.9 by 28.

andrewj · Jan 22, 2006

( Please let me know if your 5105 smokes much at start-up..My 5205 does..Thanks )

yes sir, white smoke. different amount every time. I don't know if there is any relationship between the grade of fuel (regular /off road) or what. May also be related to outside temperature. This is really a question for a JD insider to give us the real scoop (or blow the whistle, haha) if he will.

I have heard from many sources that the white smoke is normal. I hve my doubts. Just because all the new JD engines smoke don't make it right. Maybe they are all defective, I dunno. The explanation that they all have a defect is just as plausible as they all emit white smoke normally.

burnetma · Jan 22, 2006

What years are the smokers? Are they the newer emission engines or the old tried and true 3 cylinders?

andrewj · Jan 22, 2006

mine's an 04

bobbyjak · Jan 23, 2006

Mine is an '05..Bought in August..Now has 31 hrs on it..I get blue/white smoke..Complained to local dealer and they came out with a special device to check to see if injector pump was in time with engine..The norm for this engine is 6.8..Mine was at 7.3..There is a +/- of 1%..They said it was within specs and I didn't have a problem and that is was just the nature of the new engines..Does not smoke once operating temp is reached..

burnetma · Jan 26, 2006

OK, I just went to the JD site and I see that they are still using the 3 cylinder in the 05 series. The 25 series is getting the 5 cylinder emissions models. So I was confused and I am also at a loss as to the smoke issue. White smoke cold, but no smoke hot. Interesting...

HillbillyFarmer · Jan 31, 2006

( Please let me know if your 5105 smokes much at start-up..My 5205 does..Thanks )

Yea, My new 5205 is a major smoker, but only when cold and only on start-up. Had a repair tech out last week (leaky front hub seal) and he said it was because when it is doing a cold start, the computer advances the timing and then backs it off as the engine warms up. That seems like a good explanation and fits the way mine smokes. But man, it really lays out some nasty stuff when it's cold.

plowrup · Feb 1, 2006

Just thought I'd ease all of your minds, here-

this is direct from the John Deere DTAC (Dealer Technical Assistance Center)-

Complaint or Symptom:
Tractor emits white smoke at startup. Engine will smoke 20 to 30 seconds after start up then smoke will clear up.

Problem or Situation:
Timing has changed from previous models to meet Federal EPA emission standards.

Solution:
White smoke at startup is normal on tractors with Tier I and Tier II emission compliant engines and can occur for a period of 20-30 seconds after cold startup. Fuel injection pumps (FIP) on emission compliant engines have light load advance (LLA) and cold start advance (CSA) features which overcome negative TDC timing in light load/cold start conditions.

LeadPoison · Feb 2, 2006

( Just thought I'd ease all of your minds, here-
White smoke at startup is normal on tractors with Tier I and Tier II emission compliant engines and can occur for a period of 20-30 seconds after cold startup. Fuel injection pumps (FIP) on emission compliant engines have light load advance (LLA) and cold start advance (CSA) features which overcome negative TDC timing in light load/cold start conditions.)

And I thought I was going to need a new flux capacitor! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif