Buying Advice Need implements for Satoh Beaver 4x4

[Freakingstang]

Its a 15 hp. 1300lbs.

I would like to know if there is a mitsubishi counterpart to the beaver, like the same tractor with different designation and hood ornament?

I am able to find attachments for mitsu but not satohs

Satoh made the beaver with the CCW pto

Mitsubishi took over the Satoh name in 1980 and those all had STD CW pto's.

These are stout little tractors, but I don't think it would run a 5' brush hog.

There were only two companies that made loaders for our little tractors. Both have been out of business for years. They were Blackhawk and Swartz.

The Kubota b6000 and B6000e were the only other American imported tractors (not grey) that had CCW pto's. The Kubotas had a different spline than the beavers. They also had pto reversers, but again the splines were not the same. I believe ours was 18 spline Nd the botas were 12. They make adapters to go from our goofy splines to a STD 6 spline, but you are still at the point of a backwards pto. Mine came with that spline adapter and a 54" finish mower, but I can't keep blades on it to save my butt without changing the spindles.

When you are looking at woods RM mowers, the drive pulley will be about half the size of a normal woods mower because of our pto speeds.

 

[Freakingstang]

Thanks, and I did find in the manual that it's 15HP, also found a decal that has 1-N-2-N-3 for the PTO, so yes, it spins in neutral

Does anyone know what could cause this problem and how I can fix it????

I will start to look for mitsubishi parts, maybe I'm being too specific.

Danielle

Does the pto speed change when you move the lever? It's possible the detent is loose or frozen and it's staying engaged even though you are moving the lever... Mine will occasionally spin a bit but it isn't a constant "engaged" spin. It's not been an issue on mine

 

[bcp]

Check
craigslist: clackamas co


There is a used import tractor parts and implement dealer in West Linn who advertises occasionally. Not found in CL right now. I have no experience other than seeing the ad every week or so.

Bruce

 

[dlrepic]

I did see that ad on CL, just no email. I will try to call and see what's available. Thanks

 

[284 International]

The S370 is rated at 15 horsepower "gross," which means the bare engine, and 13 hp "net", with 12.2 hp at the PTO.


As was mentioned, a 5' rough mower is too much for these little tractors. In some conditions they may power them enough to be useful, but the cutter is just too heavy, and runs the risk of damaging the tractor, aside from the frustration of being severely underpowered.



There are what seem to be several conversations going on here, all at once. I'm confused. Dlrepic, what did you mean by the tiller slid sideways on you?
Was it the lower arms swinging freely because there are no stabilizing chains, or something else?



Dlrepic, what parts do you need to find?



The PTO problem is perplexing. My guess is what happened is the PTO speed selector was very tight and notchy. Someone probably tried to force (by pushing very hard or smacking) the lever into or out of gear, and bent or broke the shift finger or fork. The fact that it spins at all means it is at least engaged. If it does not change speeds when in different positions, but transmits power, then the shift linkage has somehow become disconnected from the mechanism inside.



Warsloth, what do you mean you can find attachments for a Mitsubishi, but not a Satoh? Are you looking for a loader, a belly mower, or some other very model-specific attachment? If you are only looking for rear implements, anything that is reasonably well matched in size to your tractor should either work or be readily convertible by swapping pins or lower arms.



Like Freakingstang said, Mitsubishi took over Satoh, but I don't think there are direct equivalents, because Satoh was Satoh, and Mitsubishi was Mitsubishi, but sold both products. So, according the Mitsubishi tractor researcher Ed Krampitz Jr., "Certain models continued to be sold as Mitsubishis for a while after the merger, with the S replaced by MT (example: S373 became MT373).... the MT 373 was available until the late 1980s."


Models he lists as being Satoh and Mitsubishi branded are the Beaver II and III (S372 an S373), the S470 Buck, the S630 Bull, the S670 Bison and the S750 Stallion. The MT160 was sold as an exclusively Mitsubishi model, sharing the K3A engine with the Beaver III but having a different wheelbase etc; it is not a Beaver with different sheetmetal.

 

[dlrepic]

Wow, a lot of information.

A few days back I hooked up a tiller that my dad had used on his old tractor. The arms and everything went on ok, but when I lifted the tiller up using the PTO lever, the whole attachment swung to the left. I assume that when I tried to see if by lowering it on the ground and putting the PTO into gear, it would straighten out, I may have caused the damage.

I will look at it in the morning, but tonight it looked like there would probably be a great deal of parts to take off to get to the inner mechanism. Hence, questioning those that know the tractor better than most (obviously I'm a newbie)

Thanks again for the advice and information
Danielle

 

[284 International]

...when I lifted the tiller up using the PTO lever, the whole attachment swung to the left. I assume that when I tried to see if by lowering it on the ground and putting the PTO into gear, it would straighten out, I may have caused the damage.

Are you able to take some pictures of the setup for us? There is nothing wrong with being a beginner or being new to something. Everyone here really wants to help. But just so we are all on the same page, let's make sure we are talking about the same things.

PTO stands for power take-off. The PTO lever controls whether or not, and at what speed, the shaft on the back of the tractor spins.


The position control lever controls the movement of the lift arms, the paired pieces that attach to the implement. A top link keeps the implement from rolling forward or back. Your tractor should also have sway chains, part E in this diagram.

They keep the implement from swinging into the tires. If you don't have them, then the implement will have sway, but if you aren't moving, swinging off center won't hurt anything. It certainly won't cause the PTO shifter to break and become inoperable. Do you have something like part E?

If the PTO shaft is too long for the combination of implement and tractor, lifting or lowering the implement (depending on where it is) can cause the shaft to be pushed against the PTO output of the tractor. Potentially that can damage things, but not in the way you describe, I don't think.

What does the PTO lever do when you shift it? Is it flopping around, is it stiff or notch? Does it click into each position, or is it a smooth transition between them?

I would suggest not taking anything apart just yet, before we do a little more troubleshooting.

 

[skylarkguy]

dlrepic, shoot me a personal message and we can arrange a time for you to come see my tractor or for me to come help with yours, or both.

 

[warsloth]

I was looking at FELs, found some brackets that fit mitsu but not satoh. I found a reverser for mine for $750. I also know a dealer that sells the spline adapters.

I have the s370 so i guess it was never made under the mitsubishi name.

I guess ill just look for a used fel somewhere, and a 3pt backhoe.

 

[284 International]

Warsloth, what Mitsubishi were they intended to fit? If you tell us where you are looking, and at what, it may be possible to steer you in the correct direction. Mitsubishi sold tiny tractors like the Beaver, and quite large tractors whose front tires are nearly the size of the rears on your Beaver.

Coldwater tractors makes loaders for the S370, and any reasonably competent welding shop could adapt a properly matched loader with some custom brackets.

Coldwater also makes 3 point backhoes. I wouldn't put one on my tractor, but they claim to have had good luck, and I believe them. Size matched 3 point backhoes are tough to find.