My M59 simply will not start

/ My M59 simply will not start #1  

Dave Propst

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M 59
Has someone experienced their Kubota M59 not starting? I was pushing it pretty hard today.. it still has fuel - but the idiot light for battery and heat come on when I try to start it.. has juice.. and fuel.. just sits there ... says HST Neutral.. any ideas? Just had it serviced.. for about $300.. not is just doesn't run!!?

Newbie on the M59...
 
/ My M59 simply will not start #2  
... says HST Neutral.. any ideas? .
If your HST pedal is foot controlled, rock the pedal back and forth to allow the pedal arm to find the sweet spot on the neutral safety switch. A common problem on the smaller tractors, and I am not certain as to how yours is set up, but you get the idea.... It may take a few tries with various cycles - slow/easy, etc....(if this is the problem). Also make sure your PTO lever(s) are in their respective neutral position(s). Patience.

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/ My M59 simply will not start #3  
Possible loose/corroded battery cable connection especially the negative connection on tractor. Check batt voltage with a volt meter. Possible neutral start switch or other safety switch failure. Is pto control in the off position?
 
/ My M59 simply will not start #4  
Has someone experienced their Kubota M59 not starting? I was pushing it pretty hard today.. it still has fuel - but the idiot light for battery and heat come on when I try to start it.. has juice.. and fuel.. just sits there ... says HST Neutral.. any ideas? Just had it serviced.. for about $300.. not is just doesn't run!!?
Newbie on the M59...

Dave, did you get it started? BTW, congrats on the M59. You are going to find it is one amazing machine. The consensus is that Kubota really hit their engineering target on this one. The M59 is built with a "lets make it as good as possible and charge accordingly" philosophy that probably made sense in the years (2006/7?) when the machine was being designed..... but then they had the misfortune to introduce it to the public right before the economic collapse. I know because that's when we bought ours! And it hurt. So they're expensive, and new ones even more so. But the guys (and one gal I know of) who have the M59 like them.

To answer your first question: No, I haven't heard of anyone having any problem starting. In fact, in four years now of following the M59 I don't recall a single problem with the basic tractor and loader at all.

To be accurate, there have been some issues and problems with the backhoe cylinders and backhoe hydraulic flow. Most of those easily diagnosed & fixed, but they have definitely happened. But not with the tractor or loader. There are lots of threads on the M59.

I'm guessing that on yours one of the controls got moved to a position that has actuated one of the multitude of safety switches, just like crbr mentioned. Remembering once when mine wouldn't start it turned out to be mud on the rubber mat under the HST foot pedal. That HST pedal has to be centered in the neutral position or the tractor will not start even though the side-mount dashboard lights up fine. Another time I was having trouble starting mine until I noticed that I had gotten into the bad habit of letting my boot touch the HST pedal. It won't start unless that HST pedal position is perfect....and that's a good thing!

There are lots of safety switches on the M59, and probably some way to query the machines computer brain as to what is going on, but if so I don't know how. If anyone does, please post it.
Are you getting any error messages?

For example, the M59 won't start if the seat is in the backhoe position unless the hand brake is also engaged - and then it will start. That's might be good for safety, but I can't count the times I've driven off or engaged the creep function with the darn hand brake still on.
And there's a safety switch on the clutch pedal as well...but offhand I can't remember what that does. Better check your ops manual on that one.
And of course you do know there's a safety switch that won't let it start unless someone is sitting in the operator seat.
Shucks, for all I know there's a safety switch that checks for alcohol content in the beer bottle-sized cup holder.....oops.....hey, I'm just kidding Kubota....really I am.... no, we don't need one more safety switch....:)

Sorry not to be of more help, but I'm betting with the others: either the battery or some combination of safety switches.
rScotty
 
/ My M59 simply will not start #5  
Dave,

Check the small push on battery lead that connects to the positive battery terminal behind the main lead...it's hard to see by just pulling off the battery cover and is almost hidden behind the main cable. When it pops off it falls behind the battery, so if you see the male terminal without the smaller wire, run you hand back behind the battery and you should be able to fish it out and push it back on.

Pops off on mine occasionally and drove me nuts for a few hours

-mark
 
/ My M59 simply will not start #6  
Is the engine turning over?
 
/ My M59 simply will not start #7  
Has someone experienced their Kubota M59 not starting? ... says HST Neutral.. any ideas? Just had it serviced.. for about $300.. not is just doesn't run!!?
Newbie on the M59...

I just got a chance to go to where my M59 workshop manuals are shelved. Here's what I found out:
The intellipanel message "HST Neutral" means that the HST foot pedal is NOT centered and therefore the computer will not allow the engine to crank or start.
Either your foot is pushing on the HST pedal, or something is stuck under the pedal, or possibly during your recent service the technician mis-adjusted the pedal's neutral position.
When it is correct, that message should change. My intellipanel says "PTO OFF" and it starts fine.
Hope this helps,
rScotty

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/ My M59 simply will not start #8  
check to make sure the cruise control is COMPLETELY back all the way. If it is somewhat foreward , my intellipanel says HST neutral and prevents starter from getting power, thus no start. Alternatively, that safety switch could be bad, same result.
 
/ My M59 simply will not start #10  
Any chance the fuel filter was changed or the valve shut off?
 
/ My M59 simply will not start #11  
check to make sure the cruise control is COMPLETELY back all the way. If it is somewhat foreward , my intellipanel says HST neutral and prevents starter from getting power, thus no start. Alternatively, that safety switch could be bad, same result.
Cruise control? I want that! What's the part number?
 
/ My M59 simply will not start #12  
Out on the M59 today with land plane. The intella panel is telling you the HST pedal is not in neutral and will not start. Follow rScotty technique. Check for debris or mud above and below. Be a good time to spray lubricant on the various shafts and linkage joints.

Might be the switch but check the easy stuff first.

Clutch not depressed or pto on will also not let it start and corresponding messages.

Had a dry weed stem get into the hst control linkage that was given me intermittent problems of starting the B26. Wasn’t obvious at first.
 
/ My M59 simply will not start #13  
Check the small push-on battery lead that connects to the positive battery terminal behind the main lead...it's hard to see by just pulling off the battery cover and is almost hidden behind the main cable. When it pops off it falls behind the battery, so if you see the male terminal without the smaller wire, run you hand back behind the battery and you should be able to fish it out and push it back on.

Pops off on mine occasionally and drove me nuts for a few hours

-mark

I just ran into this hidden spade lug problem today while changing to a new battery. Luckily I had just read this old 2013 thread & figured out what was going on. It's sure not obvious. It is supposed to snap lock together, and probably did when new.
 

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