MURRAY vs. CRAFTSMAN

   / MURRAY vs. CRAFTSMAN #11  
My family is kind of running an experiment in lawn tractors, quite by accident. We own a Murray (5 yrs old), a Craftsman (3 yrs old), and a JD 325 (7 yrs old). All are in the 17-18 HP range. Hands down the JD 325 wins, on lower aftermarket cost and ease of operation. It also cost three times as the other two, but it is our point of comparison.

Murray: B&S engine, no oil filter, hydrostatic trans, similar foot pedal arrangement to the JD 325, 46" deck. Warranty issue: mower deck came apart (sheet metal screw held deck together). Warranty repair was nuts, bolts, washers, all well done and still holds the deck together. Also purchased chains and blade from Murray and freighted to our door. Blade works great for snow, and mower deck is removable, but it is not removed very often. Parts are purchased on line. Overall annual costs about $30 per year.

Craftsman: Kohler engine w/oil filter, "automatic" (has clutch, brake, and hand throttle control -- how automatic is that?) trans. Sears does not recommend removing the deck, and blade replacement is done from underneath. Also, blades are recommended to be replaced and not sharpened. Have done both and have problems with home-sharpened blades. Deck appears to be fairly well made, so long as you don't remove it. Costs approx $80 per year for replacement blades, Kohler air and oil filter. Except for oil filter, have not found aftermarket replacements. No Warranty work done, but steering wheel is getting loose, now it is out of warranty. Took it apart and cannot determine problem, so will use it until it breaks.

In our big picture, we would keep the Murray and sell the Craftsman. The Craftsman is more suited for one acre or less. The Murray mows two to four rough acres and has held up fairly well. It's parts are fairly cheap when you do need a repair. The Craftsman could not mow where the Murray mows without serious running gear problems, not to mention beating up on the driver's rear end. The best part of the Craftsman is the Kohler engine, but it is too small a tractor for us, and I would not purchase another. I would consider replacing the Murray with another similar Murray, but I think we will go to a small subcompact diesel come replacement time. I would also consider some of the cheaper JD offerings, knowing my past JD experiences with their garden tractors.

Before you purchase, recommend taking a close look at Consumer Reports. In one of the past two month's issues, they tested garden tractors. They track performance and offer reliability histories. Hope this helps out in your purchase decision.
 
   / MURRAY vs. CRAFTSMAN #12  
Here are the latest ratings from Consumer Reports, cut and pasted
Click for more information.
Brand and model Price Overall score Test results Features
Small type: similar model(s)
indicates a Quick Pick meriting first consideration.
CR Best Buy indicates an exceptional value.
HYDROSTATIC-DRIVE MODELS
1 John Deere L110 Automatic CR Best Buy $1800 42 17.5
2 Cub Cadet 19016 13AL11CG $1600 42 18.5
3 White Outdoor LT1650
Outdoor LT1855H $1700
$2000 42 16.5
4 John Deere LT160 $2600 42 16
5 Simplicity Regent 16hp 44" $2800 44 16
6 Toro Wheel Horse 16-38 HXL $2150 38 16
7 Kubota T1670 40" $3000 40 15
8 Kubota T1670 44" $3400 44 15
9 John Deere L120 Automatic $2200 48 20
10 Craftsman (Sears) DYT 4000 27364 $1700 42 18.5
11 Husqvarna YTH1542XP $2000 42 15
12 Simplicity Regent 16hp 38" $2500 38 16
13 Craftsman (Sears) 27350 $2150 42 14.5
14 Murray Select 465600x8A
Select 465306x8A $1200
$1400 46 21
15 Husqvarna LTH1742 $1400 42 17
16 Snapper LT180H42IBV2 $3000 42 18
GEAR-DRIVE MODELS
17 John Deere L100 $1500 42 17
18 Craftsman (Sears) 27275 $1000 42 18
19 Craftsman (Sears) 27347 $1500 42 20
20 Murray Select 425000x8A
Select 425001x8A $1000
$1000 42 16.5
PEDAL-DRIVE MODELS
21 Troy-Bilt 13AJ609G CR Best Buy $1350 42 18.5
MANUAL-DRIVE MODELS
22 Bolens 13AN683G
Troy-Bilt 13AN689G766 $1000
$1000 42 17
TIGHT-TURNING MODELS
23 John Deere Spin-Steer SST-16 $3300 42 16
24 Cub Cadet Z-Force 44 $3600 44 15
25 Toro 16-42Z Timecutter $3100 42 16
26 Ariens Zoom 1640 915035
Zoom 1640 915051 $3300
$3300 40 16
 
   / MURRAY vs. CRAFTSMAN #13  
More Consumer Reports stuff..

Quick Picks

Best for most; versatile mowing at a reasonable price:
1 John Deere, $1800, CR Best Buy
10 Craftsman (Sears), $1700
21 Troy-Bilt, $1350, CR Best Buy

A notably level cut helps make the John Deere L110 Automatic (1) our top pick. The less expensive Troy-Bilt 13AJ609G (21) gives up some evenness for better dispersal when side-discharging. Consider the Craftsman (Sears) DYT 4000 27364 (10) if you're willing to trade some performance for an electric PTO and other added features. While the Cub Cadet 19016 13AL11CG (2) offers impressive performance and the Toro Wheel Horse 16-38 HXL (6) superior mulching, both brands have been among the more repair-prone in our survey.


For large, wide-open spaces:
5 Simplicity, $2800
9 John Deere, $2200

Consider the 44-inch Simplicity Regent 16hp 44" (5) for its better mulching, the 48-inch John Deere L120 Automatic (9) for its added width and lower price. Also consider the 46-inch Murray Select 465600x8A (14) if you don't mind giving up some performance for more width at a still-lower price.
 
   / MURRAY vs. CRAFTSMAN #14  
My dad has a crapsman. He has had it for years and, strangely, it has never caused him a bit of trouble. I would choose the Sears. Just don't ever try to get them to come FIX anything.
 
   / MURRAY vs. CRAFTSMAN #15  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Glad you have had such good luck. )</font>

Meeeee too! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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  • Thread Starter
#16  
I will not go over a thousand dollars. As a matter of fact, I would like to stay under a thousand, if possible. I did look at Poulan Pro mowers on the net. I couldn't find any price though.

So far, from what I understand from ya'll's opinions, Craftsman has Murray beat. I still want a lot more opinions before I make my choice.

I DID read the consumer affairs report on Murray and Craftsman mowers. I still want to choose between the two brands though. I am somewhat mechanically inclined, so I should be able to fix something if it breaks. But, I am not sure if I want to buy the Maintenance Agreement from Sears, if I choose the Craftsman. After reading the report on that, I am not sure at all.

Another main concern, like I have already posted, is hydrostatic or manual transmission. Which transmission has more trouble? Maintenance? Reliability?
Also, what causes a Murray Hydro trans. to "whine" when going up a hill and the wheels aren't spinning. The mower just stops. Is this hard to fix? Could it just need a new drive belt? Are there any adjustments on the hydrostatic trans.?

Thanks,
Travis
 
   / MURRAY vs. CRAFTSMAN #17  
If you stay under 1 grand I really believe there is not much difference in whats out there. I suppose a bit thicker gauge deck might be one to look for, and maybe test the steering wheel for play. Also, one might offer a bit better warrenty on the belt life, I dunno... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
   / MURRAY vs. CRAFTSMAN #18  
There are several Hydrostatic trannies in use. A tranny that whines loudly or flat refuses to pull is getting ready to have a major come apart. Check the fluid level immediately, do not pass go or collect $200!

Under a grand......that's tough. How much yard are you mowing again?

Slam
 
   / MURRAY vs. CRAFTSMAN
  • Thread Starter
#19  
I have decided that I am going to go with a MANUAL transmission. I just don't trust the hydrostatic ones. I feel that the manual will last longer.

I will be cutting 2 and a half to 3 acres. Probably no more than that because I want a compact tractor to do the rest with a brush cutter.

I personally can't see spending any more than a thousand, maybe $1200.00 on a mower whenever I can fix it if anything goes wrong. If I wasn't able or wasn't a little "mechanically inclined", then I would buy a more expensive mower that I could take to the dealer If I had a problem with it. Also, I couldn't buy a "name brand" because of my budget! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Travis R
 
   / MURRAY vs. CRAFTSMAN #20  
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I will be cutting 2 and a half to 3 acres. Probably no more than that because I want a compact tractor to do the rest with a brush cutter.)</font>

Travis if you are going to mow three acres your going to need a good sized machine. That is actually quite a bit to ask of a $1000 tractor of any brand.

I would suggest you get the largest possible engine and deck you can afford to minimize the hours on the mower. 18hp/46" cut minimum IMO. I know people will pipe in that they mow 3 acres weekly with their 12hp/38" cut but that is really tough on a small machine. Good luck bud, I think your gonna need it. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Slam
 

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