Move over Louisiana...heres Washington state
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Yeah, it's been pretty bad for some folks up here... besides all of the problems in just getting around and having to leave your home... I know several that have lost or are about to loose their homes.
The ground can only take to much water at a time... what made this storm different is it was a tropical storm... they call them Pineapple Express because the rain can be 20 degrees warmer than normal for this time of year.
Warmer rain in Winter leads to all kinds of problems such as quickly melting snow.
This storm really makes you think about building on high ground and away from the side of hills.
My prayers go out to all those affected
The ground can only take to much water at a time... what made this storm different is it was a tropical storm... they call them Pineapple Express because the rain can be 20 degrees warmer than normal for this time of year.
Warmer rain in Winter leads to all kinds of problems such as quickly melting snow.
This storm really makes you think about building on high ground and away from the side of hills.
My prayers go out to all those affected
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TractorLegend
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It appears many have no flood insurance as well
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After seeing so many tens of thousands of flooded homes in our area a couple of years ago, I know the trauma that these people are suffering at this time.
Floods can occur almost anywhere, not just in places that are below sea level and flood insurance is usually one of the cheapest kinds of insurance to have.
Even those fully insured will lose much that can not be replaced with money so we will keep them in our prayers.
Floods can occur almost anywhere, not just in places that are below sea level and flood insurance is usually one of the cheapest kinds of insurance to have.
Even those fully insured will lose much that can not be replaced with money so we will keep them in our prayers.
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We got hit here also, but not to that magnitude. The little 2' creek on our property is now a 6' creek, trees & limbs are down and its a real mess.
Although having a tractor to clean up really helps. Our elevation is 550' so I doubt if our house would ever flood.
I heard that they were going to redesign the stretch of I-5 that flooded way back in 96, but the govt. could not agree on what to do, so they did nothing
Although having a tractor to clean up really helps. Our elevation is 550' so I doubt if our house would ever flood.
I heard that they were going to redesign the stretch of I-5 that flooded way back in 96, but the govt. could not agree on what to do, so they did nothing
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I know Adna WA was hit hard. I think several TBN members live in the area...
Like to know if the WA and OR members made it through OK.
Like to know if the WA and OR members made it through OK.
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It's sad to read the paper and see all the photos of the destruction. My heart goes out to all those affected by the flooding. Not a good way to spend the holidays.
But, on the other hand, that same area flooded in 96. Similar conditions. Promises were made to improve the situation. Plans were laid out to move or raise or do something about I-5 in that area. Of course, nothing was done other than more development and more clear cutting.
I don't have issues with either development or clear cutting...as long as it's done smartly. Large expanses of clear cut hills had tons and tons of mud washing down into the rivers which helped make the flooding worse. Developing land in a know flood plain is another issue.
I'm not trying to place blame because that isn't fair to anyone. All I'm saying is that it's happened before and it will happen again and unless we stop acting like idiots...next time it may be worse.
I guess that adage is true: The only thing man learns from history is that man learns nothing from history.
But, on the other hand, that same area flooded in 96. Similar conditions. Promises were made to improve the situation. Plans were laid out to move or raise or do something about I-5 in that area. Of course, nothing was done other than more development and more clear cutting.
I don't have issues with either development or clear cutting...as long as it's done smartly. Large expanses of clear cut hills had tons and tons of mud washing down into the rivers which helped make the flooding worse. Developing land in a know flood plain is another issue.
I'm not trying to place blame because that isn't fair to anyone. All I'm saying is that it's happened before and it will happen again and unless we stop acting like idiots...next time it may be worse.
I guess that adage is true: The only thing man learns from history is that man learns nothing from history.
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I had the rubber boots and rain gear on ready for sandbagging duty here in the Puyallup river valley but we escaped with only minor puddles. Large areas of the puget sound were missed by this storm.
The folks from Chehalis on the news that were flooded out made comment about how very high flood insurance was and that that was why they didn't have it. Seems that once your location becomes a known flood plain with actual history of flooding that your premiums must skyrocket.
It is a beautiful area and I can see why folks would want to live there. So is Orting, where a lahar will sweep away those folks without the benefit of a weather forecast. I know of several places that I wouldn't want to live even though thousands of folks live there.
I work in a city that has areas protected by a dike system. Without the dike, the rivers would regularly flood the lowlands. These dikes need maintenance to resist the erosive forces of nature and the responsible agencies (generally federal) are not willing to do it. They don't even dredge the rivers anymore so the channel capacity is constantly reduced while development proceeds.
The folks from Chehalis on the news that were flooded out made comment about how very high flood insurance was and that that was why they didn't have it. Seems that once your location becomes a known flood plain with actual history of flooding that your premiums must skyrocket.
It is a beautiful area and I can see why folks would want to live there. So is Orting, where a lahar will sweep away those folks without the benefit of a weather forecast. I know of several places that I wouldn't want to live even though thousands of folks live there.
I work in a city that has areas protected by a dike system. Without the dike, the rivers would regularly flood the lowlands. These dikes need maintenance to resist the erosive forces of nature and the responsible agencies (generally federal) are not willing to do it. They don't even dredge the rivers anymore so the channel capacity is constantly reduced while development proceeds.
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ultrarunner,
I did just fine, steeldust should be fine he is even higher up the hill than I am.
I was stranded at work for a bit, then Friday we delivered Pizza's and muffins with juice water and soda pop out to the farms, Saturday and Sunday I went down to help out. Saturday I only had a few hours so I fixed up flats on a farmers wheelbarrows; then took him mine whellbarrow and more tools. Then Sunday I took my Kubota over and moved many tons of silt and muck.
What was great about it besides the fact I got to help someone I did not know at the time and was really appreciative of the help. My 34hp Kubota moved way more than his 57-58hp JD, that his friend was driving.
I was able to use the bucket and box blade along with having 4WD. his tractor was 2WD gear shift and had a back blade and bucket.
The devastation is incrediable all through the valley, the logs that took out Chandler RD bridge were big and moving fast.
The old railroad track that the steam train uses are virtually totally gone. Almost every where the rock has been washed away and there are so many places that the tracks and boards are just hanging in the air.
Starting in the morning I get off work for 8 days and I am going out to help folks out for at least 3-4 of those days, Christmas for us will just wait we will try to make it somewhat bearible for others.
If you want sad you should have seen all of the dead cows and sheep through out the valley. When you see some old crusty dairy farmer crying like a little kid, while he is looking at his dead cows it will make you tear up also.
Now that I got all sad and depressed I'll hit the post botton.
steve
I did just fine, steeldust should be fine he is even higher up the hill than I am.
I was stranded at work for a bit, then Friday we delivered Pizza's and muffins with juice water and soda pop out to the farms, Saturday and Sunday I went down to help out. Saturday I only had a few hours so I fixed up flats on a farmers wheelbarrows; then took him mine whellbarrow and more tools. Then Sunday I took my Kubota over and moved many tons of silt and muck.
What was great about it besides the fact I got to help someone I did not know at the time and was really appreciative of the help. My 34hp Kubota moved way more than his 57-58hp JD, that his friend was driving.
I was able to use the bucket and box blade along with having 4WD. his tractor was 2WD gear shift and had a back blade and bucket.
The devastation is incrediable all through the valley, the logs that took out Chandler RD bridge were big and moving fast.
The old railroad track that the steam train uses are virtually totally gone. Almost every where the rock has been washed away and there are so many places that the tracks and boards are just hanging in the air.
Starting in the morning I get off work for 8 days and I am going out to help folks out for at least 3-4 of those days, Christmas for us will just wait we will try to make it somewhat bearible for others.
If you want sad you should have seen all of the dead cows and sheep through out the valley. When you see some old crusty dairy farmer crying like a little kid, while he is looking at his dead cows it will make you tear up also.
Now that I got all sad and depressed I'll hit the post botton.
steve
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Glad to hear you were OK and it is a credit to you for helping out. I'm down in the Bay Area and checked with my Thurston County neighbors... seems everyone I know was spared this time.
Last year's wind storm after the 30 days of rain we had really did a job on my place... I'm hoping for the best this year.
Thank You for lending a hand.
Last year's wind storm after the 30 days of rain we had really did a job on my place... I'm hoping for the best this year.
Thank You for lending a hand.
