my wife and I purchased 35 acres out in the country to get away from the hustle and bustle and 1/2 acre lots this past summer, we intended to make this our homeplace for a long time, we were looking for complete privacy on the dead end dirt road where we bought, where the only neighbors would only be seen or heard when we went to see them or called them on the phone, well wouldn't you know, someone busted the plans in 2 weeks w/ a mobile home that was set up only 20 feet from the back of my property line in clear view of the location we had planned for our house, not only that they pushed down trees on my land that my fence was attached to and tore that up when we have cows in the pasture, they threw around 25 cinder blocks over the fence when they were done placing the home onto my land, they also threw cutoff water pipes, roofing materials, and all sorts of other construction materials over the fence into my woods, did they really think we wouldn't notice the trash, and why must people push the minimum buffer zone literally to the limits like this, guess they were just trying to be neighborly in their opinion, does anyone have a recommendation on trees to plant, to block the view and noise from what I feel will be a wonderful neighbor to have, I have looked into the Thuja Green Giant as a permanent wall to block my view and theirs, sunlight included to the back of their home, but does anyone know how long these trees will live, and how much shade can they tolerate, thanks a lot for any help and other recommendations
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Freds
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Their littering shows a complete command of stupidity and rudeness. That said, maybe they had the same idea as you, they just beat you to the punch. They may have placed their trailer (temp or permanent... it's hard to tell) at the very back of their property thinking that it would be their private spot.
I would take care of the garbage problem with them, letting them know that although your land may look abandoned, it isn't, and rethink my own home location to a different spot.
I used to have a website or paperwork on the subject, but when I was looking into sound barriers/absorption qualities of various materials I saw where trees have a very poor rating, if any. Think about it. You can hear a rustle of leaves or a twig snap when you're hunting. Wood in general is a very poor choice for blocking sound waves.
Good luck finding your solutions.
I would take care of the garbage problem with them, letting them know that although your land may look abandoned, it isn't, and rethink my own home location to a different spot.
I used to have a website or paperwork on the subject, but when I was looking into sound barriers/absorption qualities of various materials I saw where trees have a very poor rating, if any. Think about it. You can hear a rustle of leaves or a twig snap when you're hunting. Wood in general is a very poor choice for blocking sound waves.
Good luck finding your solutions.
"That said, maybe they had the same idea as you, they just beat you to the punch. They may have placed their trailer (temp or permanent... it's hard to tell) at the very back of their property thinking that it would be their private spot." I could see where this may have been implied by the statement that I was going to place my house in this area. The fact is that the location of our house was a minumum of close to 125 yards from the back of the property, w/ about 30 yards of pasture to the back and the rest is all hardwoods, these hardwoods will probably block the view during the summer, but during the winter, it is broad as daylight sitting broadside to what would be the back of my home which was to very open, the sad fact is that of this 35 acres, this is the only spot that had the privacy and the makeup of property that was suitable for the location of the home, we will probably end up selling and moving further out, pay less per acre, get more land, and learn from this experience to have more privacy,
on the other comment, that idea of the poison ivy is wonderful, my idea was to continue cleaning up the trash from and old chicken house that was on the land, and place it at the back of the property, and then plant the trees in front of these on my side, so they could have the view, bold statement, but I would end up hauling the trash off anyways, any more hints from people w/ this experience.
on the other comment, that idea of the poison ivy is wonderful, my idea was to continue cleaning up the trash from and old chicken house that was on the land, and place it at the back of the property, and then plant the trees in front of these on my side, so they could have the view, bold statement, but I would end up hauling the trash off anyways, any more hints from people w/ this experience.
Kyle_in_Tex
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try planting red tip photenias... plant at least 10 feet from the fenceline so you can keep the fenceline maintained. Very drought tolerant, stay green year round.
BTW, I live in a manufactured home and can't imagine throwing trash on my neighbors land. I'm guessing the setup team might have thrown the trash over???
BTW, I live in a manufactured home and can't imagine throwing trash on my neighbors land. I'm guessing the setup team might have thrown the trash over???
Farmwithjunk
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Way back yonder, in my childhood, there was a teacher that told me once that EVERY problem in the world was the direct result of someones ignorance. That didn't soak in to an 8-year-olds mind. In recent years, I've come to realize she might have been spot-on with that diagnosis.
In a nut shell, they might not know any better. In which case, you have a couple directions you can go. Throw a fit, get a border war started, and may the best man win. OR. Try to educate them a little at a time, until they grasp the concept that you're not running a landfill for their benifit.
From my experience, people who don't know any better than to disregard the basics of being a good neighbor aren't likely to be quick learners, or to even understand your methods at first.
I'd start by asking them to help you "clean up the mess someone made while working on their property". Don't come straight out and accuse them of trashing your place. Let them make that connection for themselves.
And if that doesn't start the ball rolling, may I suggest razor wire.
In a nut shell, they might not know any better. In which case, you have a couple directions you can go. Throw a fit, get a border war started, and may the best man win. OR. Try to educate them a little at a time, until they grasp the concept that you're not running a landfill for their benifit.
From my experience, people who don't know any better than to disregard the basics of being a good neighbor aren't likely to be quick learners, or to even understand your methods at first.
I'd start by asking them to help you "clean up the mess someone made while working on their property". Don't come straight out and accuse them of trashing your place. Let them make that connection for themselves.
And if that doesn't start the ball rolling, may I suggest razor wire.
SnowRidge
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You might look into Leyland Cypress. They grow fast and should be OK in your area. Like someone said, plant far enough away from the property line so that you can maintain the fence.
The Thuja Green Giant is very close to the Leland Cypress in many ways, the difference is that the GG doesn't have as many problems w/ insects and they are a little more hardy, they also don't require as much of the maintenance pruning wise from the research I have done,
Kyle, the red tip photenias I looked up and it seems they require more sunlight than what I think they will get in this location???, I also didn't mean to imply any negative comments towards those living in manufactured homes, many of my family members either grew up in or currently live in one, my wife lived in one for much of her life, and her parents still do, I was just implying how quickly this was done, and what a shock it was to see it there in a span of 2 weeks, farmw/junk, I will take your advice to heart, and do realize that cooler heads always prevail, I have been a hothead my entire life though and sometimes it can stand in the way, I am almost positive it is the people doing the setup that have done this, but I feel it is the responsibility of the landowner/homeowners to keep an eye on all things of this nature to make sure they don't happen, I am making every attempt to do this cordially, but someone always feels like their toes are being stepped on when I get done discussing things (not a good thing I know) thanks for all of the advice guys
Kyle, the red tip photenias I looked up and it seems they require more sunlight than what I think they will get in this location???, I also didn't mean to imply any negative comments towards those living in manufactured homes, many of my family members either grew up in or currently live in one, my wife lived in one for much of her life, and her parents still do, I was just implying how quickly this was done, and what a shock it was to see it there in a span of 2 weeks, farmw/junk, I will take your advice to heart, and do realize that cooler heads always prevail, I have been a hothead my entire life though and sometimes it can stand in the way, I am almost positive it is the people doing the setup that have done this, but I feel it is the responsibility of the landowner/homeowners to keep an eye on all things of this nature to make sure they don't happen, I am making every attempt to do this cordially, but someone always feels like their toes are being stepped on when I get done discussing things (not a good thing I know) thanks for all of the advice guys
EddieWalker
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Since you haven't built yet and are already planning on selling and moving to another location, I don't think I'd waste my time with them. People who have so little disregard for the land in general will just continue to make a mess and lower your land values.
There is just something about some people that don't see a mess while walking right through it. Call it blind, or just ignorant, either way, you're fighting a battle that can't be won.
A year from now it will just be worse, and every year they will continue to bring home more garbage that will continue to pile up.
If they have kids, I'd expect them to have no regard to property lines. In fact, when their place is all trashed and destroyed, they will likely head over to your area since you'll be keeping it nice. Either to play or kill animals on you land.
The writing is on the wall. They have shown you what type of people they are and it's foolish to hope for better out of them. Reasoning and trying to work together usually just prolongs things until you either give up or it turns into war.
Walk away whiel it's easy. Clean up the mess, make everything pretty and get it on the market as soon as you can.
Eddie
There is just something about some people that don't see a mess while walking right through it. Call it blind, or just ignorant, either way, you're fighting a battle that can't be won.
A year from now it will just be worse, and every year they will continue to bring home more garbage that will continue to pile up.
If they have kids, I'd expect them to have no regard to property lines. In fact, when their place is all trashed and destroyed, they will likely head over to your area since you'll be keeping it nice. Either to play or kill animals on you land.
The writing is on the wall. They have shown you what type of people they are and it's foolish to hope for better out of them. Reasoning and trying to work together usually just prolongs things until you either give up or it turns into war.
Walk away whiel it's easy. Clean up the mess, make everything pretty and get it on the market as soon as you can.
Eddie
JimR
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Your new neighbors are trailer trash. Treat them like they deserve. The first thing to do is call the sheriff and make them remove their trash. If they don't, then place it in their driveway so they can't miss it. I would erect an 8 foot cyclone fence with concetina wire on top. Along the edge of the wire plant Poisin Ivy. It will climb the fence and make a great dense cover that they won't dare to mess with twice. Third suggestion, I can't mention here but it would involve a great fire.
Highbeam
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That sounds like war. The problem with bamboo or eves poison ivy is that it spreads and can backfire. If they ever move the mobile out and the new neighbor is nice you will want to remove this war wall, and that would not be fun. It is awful hard to pitch garbage over a full height fence either way, so if they manage to get the garbage over it will be hard for you to throw it back.
I hate lousy neighbors but a good fence is the best thing. On one hand, don't let them chase you away from your own place, they will have won but on the other hand this feud may ruin your pleasant attitude and the only way to fix it is to leave.
I hate lousy neighbors but a good fence is the best thing. On one hand, don't let them chase you away from your own place, they will have won but on the other hand this feud may ruin your pleasant attitude and the only way to fix it is to leave.
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I do not know what kind of zoning you have there, but where I come from there are laws on how close to the property line that you may place a building. I would also contact the sheriff regarding trespass and destruction of property.
JimR
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( That sounds like war. The problem with bamboo or eves poison ivy is that it spreads and can backfire. If they ever move the mobile out and the new neighbor is nice you will want to remove this war wall, and that would not be fun. It is awful hard to pitch garbage over a full height fence either way, so if they manage to get the garbage over it will be hard for you to throw it back.
I hate lousy neighbors but a good fence is the best thing. On one hand, don't let them chase you away from your own place, they will have won but on the other hand this feud may ruin your pleasant attitude and the only way to fix it is to leave. )</font>
Poison Ivy can always be killed with sprays if he ets a new neighbor. As for trash coming over the top. I'd put it back in his driveway, every single last piece of it. But first I would take photos of it and call the sheriff. Nobody deserves to be stuck aside of slobs and trailer trash like like.
I hate lousy neighbors but a good fence is the best thing. On one hand, don't let them chase you away from your own place, they will have won but on the other hand this feud may ruin your pleasant attitude and the only way to fix it is to leave. )</font>
Poison Ivy can always be killed with sprays if he ets a new neighbor. As for trash coming over the top. I'd put it back in his driveway, every single last piece of it. But first I would take photos of it and call the sheriff. Nobody deserves to be stuck aside of slobs and trailer trash like like.
rox
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Backup the horses...
Before oyu come down on the neighbors with a sledghammer, calling the cops etc. suggest try getting to know them.
Did you see the neighbor property owner throwing the cement blocks on your property? You never know they couold have had a young son or son in law, somebody other than them throw their discards over by you. Could be they were not watching and they didn't like it eaither and jsut have not had time to reclaim their trash.
How about a bar b que, get to know each other before you do anything about their trash. Their trailor is perment anyway. Can you get a low cost trailor and put it 20ft form the lot line? In that way they will see the issue and experience it. Over time the both of you might be able to work it out, even though technically 20ft does meet code, that you work it out for better placements of your perment housing.
If he is within his right at 20ft not much you can do about it except try and win him over as a friend and neighbor and then work on issues once you know him better.
You might ask him casually, "Oh by the way did you need those cement blocks? Some how they ended up over on my property. If they don't need them you might ask, "Well do you want to mvoe them together, what do you suggest we do with them?" let him come back with an answer.
Try not to be discouraged on the way this has started and instead focus on getting to know them. A few cement blocks can be dealt with, it is not the end of the world.
Before oyu come down on the neighbors with a sledghammer, calling the cops etc. suggest try getting to know them.
Did you see the neighbor property owner throwing the cement blocks on your property? You never know they couold have had a young son or son in law, somebody other than them throw their discards over by you. Could be they were not watching and they didn't like it eaither and jsut have not had time to reclaim their trash.
How about a bar b que, get to know each other before you do anything about their trash. Their trailor is perment anyway. Can you get a low cost trailor and put it 20ft form the lot line? In that way they will see the issue and experience it. Over time the both of you might be able to work it out, even though technically 20ft does meet code, that you work it out for better placements of your perment housing.
If he is within his right at 20ft not much you can do about it except try and win him over as a friend and neighbor and then work on issues once you know him better.
You might ask him casually, "Oh by the way did you need those cement blocks? Some how they ended up over on my property. If they don't need them you might ask, "Well do you want to mvoe them together, what do you suggest we do with them?" let him come back with an answer.
Try not to be discouraged on the way this has started and instead focus on getting to know them. A few cement blocks can be dealt with, it is not the end of the world.
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put up a barb wire fence then get a tempertamental(sp) bull and post a sign that says if you dare to cross tis fence you will be charged! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif hope it turns out for the best
EddieWalker
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I'm pretty much a black and white type of buy. I know there's plenty of you who see things in grays and different colors and would like to hope for the best in a situation like this, but ask yourself this question. If you were the owner of the trailer and lets pretend you didn't make the mess and wasn't there when it was made. Would you just leave it there on your neighbors property?
See how simple it is. Make every excuse in the book for their bad behavior, the fact is that they are responsible for the damage and mess created and they have chosen to do nothing about it.
If they cleaned it up, apologized, or took responsibility of any kind, than I'd say deal with them, make friends and work it all out. Since there is no evidence to support this, then we must come to the conclusion that they are trouble, will remain trouble and things will always be trouble with them.
Even if you plant the best screen in the world to stop from seeing them, what will that do to what they do on his land? Will it stop them from dumping, tresspassing or destroying his land in the future? Even if it does, what can he expect from them on their own land? Who wants to live next do a garbage dump?
Sell, take your losses and don't look back. Life is meant to enjoy, not fight.
Eddie
See how simple it is. Make every excuse in the book for their bad behavior, the fact is that they are responsible for the damage and mess created and they have chosen to do nothing about it.
If they cleaned it up, apologized, or took responsibility of any kind, than I'd say deal with them, make friends and work it all out. Since there is no evidence to support this, then we must come to the conclusion that they are trouble, will remain trouble and things will always be trouble with them.
Even if you plant the best screen in the world to stop from seeing them, what will that do to what they do on his land? Will it stop them from dumping, tresspassing or destroying his land in the future? Even if it does, what can he expect from them on their own land? Who wants to live next do a garbage dump?
Sell, take your losses and don't look back. Life is meant to enjoy, not fight.
Eddie
bmac
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<font color="blue"> Life is meant to enjoy, not fight.
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Eddie, you are such a softie. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif How about he gets himself a big dozer and moves the trash pile back onto the neighbors property. And while he's at it, just continue with the dozer until the trailer is about 300 yds away from the property line.
Seriously, you are right on target here. What's the saying? You can't turn a sow's ear into a silk purse? And you surely don't want to invest any more into this property in hopes of turning trash into treasure with this neighbor. So I agree with the "sell and find another piece of property" advice. However, with any property you buy, be it in a subdivision or out in the country, problem neighbors are a possibility. But if you get a big enough parcel and position your house far enough away from all property lines, the impact of a bad neighbor lessens considerably. I'm thinkin' about 1000 acres would be good.
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Eddie, you are such a softie. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif How about he gets himself a big dozer and moves the trash pile back onto the neighbors property. And while he's at it, just continue with the dozer until the trailer is about 300 yds away from the property line.
Seriously, you are right on target here. What's the saying? You can't turn a sow's ear into a silk purse? And you surely don't want to invest any more into this property in hopes of turning trash into treasure with this neighbor. So I agree with the "sell and find another piece of property" advice. However, with any property you buy, be it in a subdivision or out in the country, problem neighbors are a possibility. But if you get a big enough parcel and position your house far enough away from all property lines, the impact of a bad neighbor lessens considerably. I'm thinkin' about 1000 acres would be good.
JerryG
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Eddie made a good point.
A short story. A few years ago, my cousin sold some land that bordered ours. There wasn't a fence between the two properties. One day my mother saw a man walking around in our adjoining field. She stopped to talk to him. She found out that the realtor had told him that the field was his. The realtor finely bought the land back from the man. The man honestly didn't know that that wasn't part of his property. It cost the realtor. Maybe the man in the trailer honestly thinks that is part of his property. Remember a good fence makes good neighbors.
A short story. A few years ago, my cousin sold some land that bordered ours. There wasn't a fence between the two properties. One day my mother saw a man walking around in our adjoining field. She stopped to talk to him. She found out that the realtor had told him that the field was his. The realtor finely bought the land back from the man. The man honestly didn't know that that wasn't part of his property. It cost the realtor. Maybe the man in the trailer honestly thinks that is part of his property. Remember a good fence makes good neighbors.
JimR
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Backup the horses...
Before oyu come down on the neighbors with a sledghammer, calling the cops etc. suggest try getting to know them.
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This doesn't always work. I met my problem neighbors. He seemed like a really nice guy. Even asked if he could clean up the brush along my wall to make the place (HIS PLACE) look better. The he took and inch by driving a 30-40 ton excavator over my propertty and stone wall to access his land instead of driving down his driveway with it. Then he took a yard by tearing down my wall and putting 8-10 feet of his perimeter drain pipe on my property, which I so happily removed and rebuilt my wall with my time. Now I find two more perimeter drain pipes and flooding to boot. NO, I'm sorry, getting to know your neighbors with some folks is like giving them the right to do as they please with your property. If you want to stop a Butthead, treat him like a Butthead. Post your property and have him arrested for trashing it.
Before oyu come down on the neighbors with a sledghammer, calling the cops etc. suggest try getting to know them.
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This doesn't always work. I met my problem neighbors. He seemed like a really nice guy. Even asked if he could clean up the brush along my wall to make the place (HIS PLACE) look better. The he took and inch by driving a 30-40 ton excavator over my propertty and stone wall to access his land instead of driving down his driveway with it. Then he took a yard by tearing down my wall and putting 8-10 feet of his perimeter drain pipe on my property, which I so happily removed and rebuilt my wall with my time. Now I find two more perimeter drain pipes and flooding to boot. NO, I'm sorry, getting to know your neighbors with some folks is like giving them the right to do as they please with your property. If you want to stop a Butthead, treat him like a Butthead. Post your property and have him arrested for trashing it.
