Minnesota to try and ban gas powered equipment

[3 Horse Ranch]

The town I moved from on the left coast has basically driven all industry out of town. The bay used to be lined with boat building, salmon canneries, lumber mills, a tissue mill, a marine shipping terminal, a plywood mill and a cold storage. All of these were along rail lines and each facility had at least one spur from one of three railroads. Between economic conditions and city regulation and permitting, every single industry is now gone except the cold storage. All that waterfront property is now high priced condo units, hotels, restaurants or parks. Of the three railroads, only one remains, and the city has tried regulating it too because it carries coal and oil, but they found that under the interstate commerce clause, they didn't have the authority. What used to be a thriving downtown located about a half mile from the waterfront, is now basically a homeless camp. Residents of the city say they don't feel safe being downtown during the day.

 

[Hay Dude]

The town I moved from on the left coast has basically driven all industry out of town. The bay used to be lined with boat building, salmon canneries, lumber mills, a tissue mill, a marine shipping terminal, a plywood mill and a cold storage. All of these were along rail lines and each facility had at least one spur from one of three railroads. Between economic conditions and city regulation and permitting, every single industry is now gone except the cold storage. All that waterfront property is now high priced condo units, hotels, restaurants or parks. Of the three railroads, only one remains, and the city has tried regulating it too because it carries coal and oil, but they found that under the interstate commerce clause, they didn't have the authority. What used to be a thriving downtown located about a half mile from the waterfront, is now basically a homeless camp. Residents of the city say they don't feel safe being downtown during the day.

Sounds like a productive, well planned industrial park that creates a lot of jobs.
Too bad it’s gone. The people we put into power did that with onerous regulations.

 

[MossRoad]

Gross Domestic Product since I've been born.



Real GDP since the 50's



Either way one wants to look at it, somebody is still making something in the US. Its might not be something we equate with productivity, but it's something of value and it's increasing except for a few years ago.

Adapt or be left behind. Re-educate if needed. There are hundreds of thousands of jobs available in the US today.

What Is Gross Domestic Product (GDP)?​

Gross domestic product (GDP) is the total monetary or market value of all the finished goods and services produced within a country’s borders in a specific time period. As a broad measure of overall domestic production, it functions as a comprehensive scorecard of a given country’s economic health.

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

Gross Domestic Product since I've been born.

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Real GDP since the 50's

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Either way one wants to look at it, somebody is still making something in the US. Its might not be something we equate with productivity, but it's something of value and it's increasing except for a few years ago.

Adapt or be left behind. Re-educate if needed. There are hundreds of thousands of jobs available in the US today.

What Is Gross Domestic Product (GDP)?​

Gross domestic product (GDP) is the total monetary or market value of all the finished goods and services produced within a country’s borders in a specific time period. As a broad measure of overall domestic production, it functions as a comprehensive scorecard of a given country’s economic health.

But that GDP used to in part represent machinery and steel going over seas, now it's bulk oil, bulk coal and the cups of Starbucks we purchase a $4 per cup.

 

[MossRoad]

But that GDP used to in part represent machinery and steel going over seas, now it's bulk oil, bulk coal and the cups of Starbucks we purchase a $4 per cup.

But, but, but..... it's production in the US. We still produce goods and services. It's just not the same goods and services that were produced in the past. Things change.

Quick show of hands...

Who here wants to go work on an assembly line in a factory doing piece work?

Who wants to go and work in the furnace at a steel mill?

For that matter, I don't recall anyone on TBN ever mentioning that that is what they do for a living. Maybe they did and lost their job, but that hasn't been mentioned. Maybe they did and advanced off the line. But not many people WANT to work on an assembly line or in a hot steel mill when they can work some other job that's more comfortable.

I've seen some folks here that did maintenance at factories, or drove trucks to and from factories, but I see not one person on here ever saying that they sure would like to get a job working the line at a factory.

Everyone wants to complain about how things were, but in reality, not many of them actually want that job should it open up.

 

[Hay Dude]

But, but, but..... it's production in the US. We still produce goods and services. It's just not the same goods and services that were produced in the past. Things change.

Quick show of hands...

Who here wants to go work on an assembly line in a factory doing piece work?

Who wants to go and work in the furnace at a steel mill?

For that matter, I don't recall anyone on TBN ever mentioning that that is what they do for a living. Maybe they did and lost their job, but that hasn't been mentioned. Maybe they did and advanced off the line. But not many people WANT to work on an assembly line or in a hot steel mill when they can work some other job that's more comfortable.

I've seen some folks here that did maintenance at factories, or drove trucks to and from factories, but I see not one person on here ever saying that they sure would like to get a job working the line at a factory.

Everyone wants to complain about how things were, but in reality, not many of them actually want that job should it open up.

I think job place safety and pay has increased considerably since the depression…..I mean it’s not kiddie labor and robber barons anymore.
Besides, those factories are very robotic now.
Its a matter of security, Moss. We aren’t making the critical infrastructure, medicines and electronics we need to survive. There’s threat of a war. Covid CLEARLY illustrated our shortcomings and what we need to produce here. You can barely buy an American made truck, tractor or car anymore, not to mention antibiotics, over the counter meds, clothing, even food. Steel? forget about it. Now our energy sector is being decimated. Large electric turbines and transformers are coming from overseas.
You can show me graphs all you want. I know what I see and it’s not good.
Union factory jobs paid great money and benefits. Its all gone here. Might be hanging on where you are, but in the rust belt? Nope

 

[ArlyA]

But, but, but..... it's production in the US. We still produce goods and services. It's just not the same goods and services that were produced in the past. Things change.

Quick show of hands...

Who here wants to go work on an assembly line in a factory doing piece work?

Who wants to go and work in the furnace at a steel mill?

For that matter, I don't recall anyone on TBN ever mentioning that that is what they do for a living. Maybe they did and lost their job, but that hasn't been mentioned. Maybe they did and advanced off the line. But not many people WANT to work on an assembly line or in a hot steel mill when they can work some other job that's more comfortable.

I've seen some folks here that did maintenance at factories, or drove trucks to and from factories, but I see not one person on here ever saying that they sure would like to get a job working the line at a factory.

Everyone wants to complain about how things were, but in reality, not many of them actually want that job should it open up.

And most poeple who say "nobody WANTS to work anymore!" are retired and living well.

 

[airbiscuit]

There are excellent jobs in the US in Advanced Manufacturing - CNC Machinists, Automation Technicians, Maintenance Technicians, Robotic Technicians, Engineers of all sorts. The low skilled and unskilled manufacturing jobs did go overseas. Unfortunately too many working age men are waiting for yesterdays jobs to return rather than get the skills required for today's jobs. Adapt or suffer the consequences.

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

But, but, but..... it's production in the US. We still produce goods and services. It's just not the same goods and services that were produced in the past. Things change.

Quick show of hands...

Who here wants to go work on an assembly line in a factory doing piece work?

Who wants to go and work in the furnace at a steel mill?

For that matter, I don't recall anyone on TBN ever mentioning that that is what they do for a living. Maybe they did and lost their job, but that hasn't been mentioned. Maybe they did and advanced off the line. But not many people WANT to work on an assembly line or in a hot steel mill when they can work some other job that's more comfortable.

I've seen some folks here that did maintenance at factories, or drove trucks to and from factories, but I see not one person on here ever saying that they sure would like to get a job working the line at a factory.

Everyone wants to complain about how things were, but in reality, not many of them actually want that job should it open up.

Aside from drugs. one of the reasons for the homeless problem is there aren't any low skill. repetitive, low self-motivation factory line jobs left. And that might be one of the reasons for the drug problem, no hope of being able to provide for themselves.

 

[Oaktree]

You can show me graphs all you want. I know what I see and it’s not good.
Union factory jobs paid great money and benefits. Its all gone here. Might be hanging on where you are, but in the rust belt? Nope

But in your profile you show yourself as living in the "corrupt rust belt". Just because the economy isn't good where you live doesn't mean it's that way everywhere. Those union jobs that paid "great money and benefits" are mostly gone because the workers priced themselves right out of a job. It's a global economy now, and if you can't compete you lose.

Aside from drugs. one of the reasons for the homeless problem is there aren't any low skill. repetitive, low self-motivation factory line jobs left. And that might be one of the reasons for the drug problem, no hope of being able to provide for themselves.

Sad but true. And those jobs aren't coming back. Long gone are the days when you could just show up at a factory and they'd teach you what you needed OJT. Some trades you can still learn on the job, but you have to be willing to do the grunt work and work your way up. Other trades like plumbing or electrician generally require some schooling to get in the door.

 

[Citydude]

But, but, but..... it's production in the US. We still produce goods and services. It's just not the same goods and services that were produced in the past. Things change.

Quick show of hands...

Who here wants to go work on an assembly line in a factory doing piece work?

Who wants to go and work in the furnace at a steel mill?

For that matter, I don't recall anyone on TBN ever mentioning that that is what they do for a living. Maybe they did and lost their job, but that hasn't been mentioned. Maybe they did and advanced off the line. But not many people WANT to work on an assembly line or in a hot steel mill when they can work some other job that's more comfortable.

I've seen some folks here that did maintenance at factories, or drove trucks to and from factories, but I see not one person on here ever saying that they sure would like to get a job working the line at a factory.

Everyone wants to complain about how things were, but in reality, not many of them actually want that job should it open up.

I stacked bentonite in rail cars to feed my family when I was young and appreciated the job. Your city boy analogy sucks because there are millions who still do manual labor.

 

[Joel/ak]

But in your profile you show yourself as living in the "corrupt rust belt". Just because the economy isn't good where you live doesn't mean it's that way everywhere. Those union jobs that paid "great money and benefits" are mostly gone because the workers priced themselves right out of a job. It's a global economy now, and if you can't compete you lose.

Sad but true. And those jobs aren't coming back. Long gone are the days when you could just show up at a factory and they'd teach you what you needed OJT. Some trades you can still learn on the job, but you have to be willing to do the grunt work and work your way up. Other trades like plumbing or electrician generally require some schooling to get in the door.

Actually here in SW MI we have quite a few of those no brainer factory jobs that hire anyone off the streets.

When I first started working there it was a midlife crises job where you don't have to think and they hired folks with a background in the field. Co was bought out and we'll let's just say some of us old timers there make decent money. Otherwise I'd be gone, gotta get a translator to talk to anyone now.

 

[IndyJay]

I stacked bentonite in rail cars to feed my family when I was young and appreciated the job. Your city boy analogy sucks because there are millions who still do manual labor.

I worked on an assembly line after high school for half a year until I got a different manufacturing job as a laborer doing really s**tty work. Worked 12hrs/7days week for 6 months straight as recently as 10 years ago. I was raised under a different work ethic and with the idea that the world doesn't owe me anything. I never quit even the worst job unless I had another to go to the following Monday.

There were no participation trophies where I grew up. You were expected to earn your way.

 

[Citydude]

I worked on an assembly line after high school for half a year until I got a different manufacturing job as a laborer doing really s**tty work. Worked 12hrs/7days week for 6 months straight as recently as 10 years ago. I was raised under a different work ethic and with the idea that the world doesn't owe me anything. I never quit even the worst job unless I had another to go to the following Monday.

There were no participation trophies where I grew up. You were expected to earn your way.

There are more of us deplorable laborers that built and are building this country than the all city mouth breathers combined.

 

[jyoutz]

There are more of us deplorable laborers that built and are building this country than the all city mouth breathers combined.

Why this us vs them stuff? This is a big country with cities, suburbs and rural communities. And many advocations and professions, all of which are necessary for our society. I have always lived and worked in rural or small town communities, but I recognize the importance of all jobs and services from laborers to professional careers across our country.

 

[Citydude]

Why this us vs them stuff? This is a big country with cities, suburbs and rural communities. And many advocations and professions, all of which are necessary for our society. I have always lived and worked in rural or small town communities, but I recognize the importance of all jobs and services from laborers to professional careers across our country.

Good for you. Save me your "Ive been there". Have you ever dug a ditch with a shovel with your hands to put bread on the table? Stop before you embarrass yourself.

 

[jyoutz]

Good for you. Save me your "Ive been there". Have you ever dug a ditch with a shovel with your hands to put bread on the table? Stop before you embarrass yourself.

I have thinned trees and piled brush, dug fire lines and fought fires and slept in the dirt for two weeks and hiked out of the wilderness and done house framing. And I have worked in suit and ties in Washington DC. All of which to make ends meet. Nobody’s special. We all make a living and if we are “mature” we have a rich and diverse career history of many experiences. Nothing embarrassing about any of those jobs.

 

[Citydude]

I have thinned trees and piled brush, dug fire lines and fought fires and slept in the dirt for two weeks and hiked out of the wilderness and done house framing. And I have worked in suit and ties in Washington DC. All of which to make ends meet. Nobody’s special. We all make a living and if we are “mature” we have a rich and diverse career history of many experiences. Nothing embarrassing about any of those.

Your right. No one is special. Tell that to your president as your wearing your suit and tie. what a joke. posers do as posers do.

 

[jyoutz]

Your right. No one is special. Tell that to your president as your wearing your suit and tie. what a joke. posers do as posers do.

Try some Metamucil. It might improve your demeanor.

 

[Citydude]

Try some Metamucil. It might improve your demeanor.

Try some common sense. It might improve your looking at the problem and not the person.