Millermatic 211 owners

   / Millermatic 211 owners #1  

ericher69

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2008 Kubota b2920
Looking at trading my Lincoln SP170-T on a Millermatic 211

Could owners please report on the following;

1. Quality
2. Value for $
3. Mild steel performance
4. Aluminum performance
5. 110-220V performance/flexibility
6. Flux core performance

Any other usefull info

My main use will be home shop/occasional use

Have an AC/DC stick for thicker stuff

I can get 211 with spoolmate and 2 bottles for about 2k
 
   / Millermatic 211 owners #2  
The 211 is alot like my 130xp. They are well made machines, but....

Would i trade up to a 211 in your shoes? no.

Would i trade up to a 212 or bigger, yes.

My next machine will be a 212 or hopefully a 252. Im not getting into a undersized machine again...
 
   / Millermatic 211 owners
  • Thread Starter
#3  
I really don't feel the 211 would be undersized for my needs

As per you upgrading to 212

Same rated capacity 3/8 but 60% duty cycle instead of 30% for 211

This is single pass! No problem going thicker with multiple passes

You should look into the 251 if your considering the 212 or 252

The latter 251/252 are about 3x + the $$ of 211
 
   / Millermatic 211 owners
  • Thread Starter
#4  
I did ask on the Miller forum and they said 251/252 but I don't know their application for these welders

Thought i'd ask fellow tractor owners
 
   / Millermatic 211 owners #5  
i've had a 211 for a couple years now, and i am happy with it. i can guarantee that 95% of the people who would not recommend that model are doing so based on duty cycle. they see the 30% duty cycle and think they will be waiting on the welder constantly. my point of view is that i spend more time doing fitup and alignment between pulling the trigger that i never max out the duty cycle. also, that duty cycle of 30% is at the rated setting of 150a if i remember correctly. as you work the current lower the duty cycle jumps up - 60% at 100a and 100% at around 60a.

i think it's the right welder if you routinely work with 1/8-1/2 inch material, with the occasional thicker pieces. i believe that if you own skidders or excavators that cost from the 10's to 100's of thousands of dollars and regularly have to work with 1" and larger material then it's not the machine for you. if you own 50hp and under tractors then i can't imagine why you would need to work with 1" and thicker material on a constant basis. welding the occasional wood splitter wedge on is not an issue for this welder.

i also have the belief that many people over weld things. i have worked in an industry where steel from 3/8" to 1" thick is routinely welded together with a 5/16" fillet weld or less. i've also looked at numerous pieces of equipment and attachments, and a lot of the welds are intermittent welds. certainly there are instances where you need to splice a piece of material and a complete penetration (or as close as possible for a shadetree welder) is called for, but you don't need that much weld everywhere.

i can't say as for aluminum performance since i've never used the spool gun yet, but aluminum is a great heat sink, so in general it takes more to do less. i think it's about as small as you'd want for doing much aluminum. i've used it with 0.030 solid and 0.035 flux core on a variety of thicknesses - probably 1/8" up to 1" and it has generated plenty of heat to get proper fusion.

as far as quality, it's hard to say in only two years, but i would have to assume that anything carrying a miller/lincoln/hobart name would be made well enough so as not to draw bad attention to the name. the 120/240 option is a nice feature, though i haven't used it yet on this welder. there have been times in the past where i've had to drag a 120v wire feed over to a friend's house to fix something, and they didn't have 240v readily available. when i bought mine miller was the only one doing this. i'm not current to see whether competing brands offer this now.

the last thing is the price. i paid $965 and $200 for my welder and spool gun. with a little negotiating i got a local dealer to do $965 on the welder, which was the same as i could have got it online. they couldn't match the spool gun, but they didn't stock it anyways, so i ordered it online. ironically, the best price online i got was from the parent company of the local shop, so it actually shipped from about 65 miles away in the same state. ebay is currently $1000 and $200, so i'd be shooting for around $1200 on those two if possible.

for your tanks you haven't said how big you were looking for. i'm guessing either 60cf or 120cf range? around here the two gas dealers sell/stock/and lease 20, 60, 120, and 250~ish size bottles - capacity varies slightly by product inside them. if your $2k price includes the purchase of two 120cf tanks filled, then it's probably not too bad of a deal. $350 filled per tank is probably in the ballpark ($300 shipped empty online). if the price is for two 60cf tanks then i'd see if they can sharpen their pencil some - i'd say by $200-$300. check a local tractor supply for gas bottle purchases and fills as a comparison. i know they deal in at least 60cf bottles.

edit: just noticed that you are north of the border. my price comparisons are probably null and void now. i dunno what gas availability is there, or whether any retail chains offer it.
 
   / Millermatic 211 owners #6  
i've had a 211 for a couple years now, and i am happy with it. i can guarantee that 95% of the people who would not recommend that model are doing so based on duty cycle. they see the 30% duty cycle and think they will be waiting on the welder constantly. my point of view is that i spend more time doing fitup and alignment between pulling the trigger that i never max out the duty cycle. also, that duty cycle of 30% is at the rated setting of 150a if i remember correctly. as you work the current lower the duty cycle jumps up - 60% at 100a and 100% at around 60a.

i think it's the right welder if you routinely work with 1/8-1/2 inch material, with the occasional thicker pieces. i believe that if you own skidders or excavators that cost from the 10's to 100's of thousands of dollars and regularly have to work with 1" and larger material then it's not the machine for you. if you own 50hp and under tractors then i can't imagine why you would need to work with 1" and thicker material on a constant basis. welding the occasional wood splitter wedge on is not an issue for this welder.

i also have the belief that many people over weld things. i have worked in an industry where steel from 3/8" to 1" thick is routinely welded together with a 5/16" fillet weld or less. i've also looked at numerous pieces of equipment and attachments, and a lot of the welds are intermittent welds. certainly there are instances where you need to splice a piece of material and a complete penetration (or as close as possible for a shadetree welder) is called for, but you don't need that much weld everywhere.

i can't say as for aluminum performance since i've never used the spool gun yet, but aluminum is a great heat sink, so in general it takes more to do less. i think it's about as small as you'd want for doing much aluminum. i've used it with 0.030 solid and 0.035 flux core on a variety of thicknesses - probably 1/8" up to 1" and it has generated plenty of heat to get proper fusion.

as far as quality, it's hard to say in only two years, but i would have to assume that anything carrying a miller/lincoln/hobart name would be made well enough so as not to draw bad attention to the name. the 120/240 option is a nice feature, though i haven't used it yet on this welder. there have been times in the past where i've had to drag a 120v wire feed over to a friend's house to fix something, and they didn't have 240v readily available. when i bought mine miller was the only one doing this. i'm not current to see whether competing brands offer this now.

the last thing is the price. i paid $965 and $200 for my welder and spool gun. with a little negotiating i got a local dealer to do $965 on the welder, which was the same as i could have got it online. they couldn't match the spool gun, but they didn't stock it anyways, so i ordered it online. ironically, the best price online i got was from the parent company of the local shop, so it actually shipped from about 65 miles away in the same state. ebay is currently $1000 and $200, so i'd be shooting for around $1200 on those two if possible.

for your tanks you haven't said how big you were looking for. i'm guessing either 60cf or 120cf range? around here the two gas dealers sell/stock/and lease 20, 60, 120, and 250~ish size bottles - capacity varies slightly by product inside them. if your $2k price includes the purchase of two 120cf tanks filled, then it's probably not too bad of a deal. $350 filled per tank is probably in the ballpark ($300 shipped empty online). if the price is for two 60cf tanks then i'd see if they can sharpen their pencil some - i'd say by $200-$300. check a local tractor supply for gas bottle purchases and fills as a comparison. i know they deal in at least 60cf bottles.

edit: just noticed that you are north of the border. my price comparisons are probably null and void now. i dunno what gas availability is there, or whether any retail chains offer it.

Dito, great machine, I paid $950 us dollars with a $75 rebate from miller.
I also have a hobart stickmate Lx for larger stuff or getting in ackward places. The auto set feature is real nice.
 
   / Millermatic 211 owners
  • Thread Starter
#7  
Lost cause;

Thanks for the reply

In a world where "bigger is better"...

My view is bigger is most often overkill and wasted $$

Maybe I will get the 211 and use the extra $ savings towards a plasma cutter
 
   / Millermatic 211 owners #8  
Lost cause;

Thanks for the reply

In a world where "bigger is better"...

My view is bigger is most often overkill and wasted $$

Maybe I will get the 211 and use the extra $ savings towards a plasma cutter

Thats what i did and i regret it.

The dealer said i should buy a larger 251 at the time i bought my 130. i said "nah"...

I ended going back a couple months later and bought a Thunderbolt.

After all was said and done, i almost spent what a 251 would have cost... And now, i still want a large mig.

I was penny wise and pound foolish. I should have bought big at the time. Id be money ahead now.
 
   / Millermatic 211 owners #9  
Thats what i did and i regret it.

The dealer said i should buy a larger 251 at the time i bought my 130. i said "nah"...

I ended going back a couple months later and bought a Thunderbolt.

After all was said and done, i almost spent what a 251 would have cost... And now, i still want a large mig.

I was penny wise and pound foolish. I should have bought big at the time. Id be money ahead now.

i guess it's all in what you do with it. if you need a 251 then you must be doing some heavy work, or working the welder a lot, though there is a lot of a jump between a 130 and a 211, let alone a 251. the 120v only machines are good for up to 1/4" give or take in my book. past that and you're having to rely on extra techniques to generate enough heat to get good penetration and fusion. in my book the 211 is a decent size machine, just not the machine if you need to work it all day long.
 
   / Millermatic 211 owners #10  
i guess it's all in what you do with it. if you need a 251 then you must be doing some heavy work, or working the welder a lot, though there is a lot of a jump between a 130 and a 211, let alone a 251. the 120v only machines are good for up to 1/4" give or take in my book. past that and you're having to rely on extra techniques to generate enough heat to get good penetration and fusion. in my book the 211 is a decent size machine, just not the machine if you need to work it all day long.

I agree the 211 is a great machine. And likely would serve all my needs.... HOWEVER by me being cheap, im going to spend more in the end. You can always turn a large machine down.

I usually have my 130 on #3 tap. Id run it on #4 but it trips breakers. I really overwork my small machine, but its never let me down.
 

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