MF1533 and Hay Equip

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BEETLEINTX

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First post. Does anybody have experience with hay bailing equipment that I can use with my MF1533 (33HP/26PTO). Round or square. Only have 8 acres in coastal and local bailers won't touch small jobs. Tractor is 4wd with rear tires loaded with water/anticorrosive mixture. Just trying to find out if it's even doable.
 
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From everything I looked at and the dealers I talked to, all advised me to get a bigger tractor. I have a 50 HP 3 cylinder LongTrac. They said I might be able to pull the smallest square baler, but that it would not be easy on the tractor or operator.
 
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I think round bales are out of the question with that setup. Square balers may work - most equipment sold new today is rated as requiring more hp than you have, but there have been a number of posts on here of people with tractors around the size of yours doing square bales. Any chance you could borrow a small square baler or take your tractor to someone who has one and see if it would work?

Another possible option would be one of the self-powered square balers that are used by some Amish and Mennonite farms, and pulled by horse teams. I think the brand is Oliver; I have no personal experience with them.

You will need a fairly small mower and rake but those should be easy to find and not much of an issue for your tractor.
 
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Afternoon Beetlentx,
Your going to be a bit shy on the HP and also the weight of your machine. I am providing a link to Massey Ferguson model 1700 series small round balers. They require a minimum 30 PTO Hp. You might get away with it on flat property but its going to be a little dicey ! ;)

Im also going to post a pic of a 1939 Farmall A pulling a square baler and a hay wagon, doing all that with just under 20 PTO Hp ! ;) Although I dont think you will find anyone that will reccomend doing that !

1700 Small Round Balers
 

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No
You can run some smaller hay equipment on the bigger compacts, but it beats them to death, you really want to be into a small utility tractor before getting into hay work.
 
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BEETLEINTX said:
First post. Does anybody have experience with hay bailing equipment that I can use with my MF1533 (33HP/26PTO). Round or square. Only have 8 acres in coastal and local bailers won't touch small jobs. Tractor is 4wd with rear tires loaded with water/anticorrosive mixture. Just trying to find out if it's even doable.
Italy seems to do a lot of small round balers, they are getting very popular in UK for "horseyculture" i.e. hobby farms with a couple of horses.
Try
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or even smaller
More BCS Implements
 
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Look at the Star balers... AGRIQUIP.com :: Star

A guy down the highway got one and seems very happy with it. A couple of weeks ago he baled his front yard.
 
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Hey Scott was that you using the IH A ?
 
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I have a 1433V and about the same acreage of hay field as you do, plus I have the bonus of being on a pretty good slope!:)

I formed a partnership with a retired gentleman who raises miniature horses. He does my haying and we split the hay 50/50. I help out as much as I can. A couple of years back he fell about 10' from his hayloft; cracked his skull, broke some ribs, etc. He couldn't do my second cutting but he let me use his equipment to do it myself with his coaching.

He has a Ford, 4 cylinder, 40 HP compact. I used his tractor and mine to do the various tasks and frankly all mine was any good for was teddering and raking (it would probably have mowed OK but at the time my tractor didn't have any rear remotes and the cutter had a cylinder to pivot it out of the way); there was no way I was going to attempt to run the baler (small New Holland). His tractor is quite a bit heavier than mine and that baler shoved it around a lot!

Someday I am going to need to do this myself. My friend is in his mid to late 70's now and I don't know how long he'll be able to do it. When the time comes, I'll probably look at a 1547 at minimum and I'd rather go to one of the utility series.

All of that being said, my father-in-law and many old time farmers made hay with some pretty small tractors...Ford 8N's and such, so it can be done...but not easily...
 
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My 38 hp JD1070 has been pulling a NH479 mower-conditioner, a NH56 rake, a JD14T baler and a NH1012 stackwagon for 10 years without even a grunt. It has weighted tires which probably helps the low speed chuggle that a baler can get into if you don't run it at the design rpm. If I can figure out how to post a picture of the setup from a camera card I will toss it in. As a professional engineer, I can say that most hp requirements for haybaling are overstated by 50%. FYI I ran this same equipment using an 18hp Yanmar. It was not weighted and danced a bit. Worst thing was lack of live power. The mower its the only piece that will touch the governor going straight up an incline. From my experience using bigger tractors and machinery owned by neighboring dairy farmers, the main mistake made by beginners is failing to run the machinery at the rated 540 rpm. This simply means you need the right transmission gears and tire sizes to get the optimum ground speed. Yes the mower is a sickle drive, not a discbine, the baler is 1 stroke per second, not 1.5 - 2 on the Big balers. The rake can be pulled by my 4wheeler. The stackwagon has a high tongue load but I loaded up the front weight bar with 6 JD iron weights (50 lb apiece maybe). The JD14T, NH 363, 369 balers are the same capacity and thruput. It's not going to hurt the tractor if you stay in rpm band and machine feed rate at a fast walking speed. I mowed a 7.5 acre field yesterday in 25 minutes. That's the picture. Rake tomorrow, maybe bale and pickup Sunday or monday. I get $3.50 a bale delivered for this product. They line up for it and last year I ran out of hay. That's a bale every 13 seconds BTW: figure out the income rate. I figure I'll use less than 3 gallons of diesel fuel to cut, rake, bale and pickup all this hay. I was at the races this weekend at MIS, can you tell?
 
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I forgot to mention that I use the loader hydraulics to manage the mower header position and tongue angle. The swing angle is a 2 way hookup to the bucket dump circuit and the header elevation is just a 1 way hose to the loader frame elevate. That way I have all the control I need using the single stalk loader control. I can get thru gates and manage the windrow formation near fences and in the main aisles.
 
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Just baled 100+ brome bales last night with an agco ST34, which is the orange twin to your 1533, and a 214t deere baler and never missed a beat. Got it over pulling two 5 bar rakes now, neighbors 4440 JD was to big to get in and around all the trees. Dont get your windrows too thick and you should be fine. I was running in low 2 and 3 with the rpms up and it was pretty easy going. Had a little push/pull from the baler, but you'll get that on a bigger tractor to. I did leave the loader on for some extra front end weight, not sure if it was necessary or not, but it won't hurt anything.
 
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You will find my "Color of Money" post under owning/operating interesting (including pix). The color of money is green like in the color of hay.

I used $27 in 2 spools of twine and 2 gallons of fuel so far.
 
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Thanks to you all for the info. Hadn't checked my thread in several days due to daughter's wedding and was amazed by all the specific recommendations. It looks like it can be done especially considering that my field is terraced and has a nice gentle slope. Now I need to start shopping for equipment.
 
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I liked everything I saw about the MF 1734 with my 42 HP/35 HP PTO tractor. However, there wasn't one available in North America this Spring. So, I have a 1745 on the way (which requires 40 HP PTO). If it doesn't work out, I'll have to trade-down to a 1734 when they are available again next Winter.
 
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BEETLEINTX said:
First post. Does anybody have experience with hay bailing equipment that I can use with my MF1533 (33HP/26PTO). Round or square. Only have 8 acres in coastal and local balers won't touch small jobs. Tractor is 4wd with rear tires loaded with water/anticorrosive mixture. Just trying to find out if it's even doable.
Get you a HayMAXX drum mower. It will mow any crop in any condition as fast as you can ride your tractor. This is important because the haybine's and sicklebar mowers will be parked waiting for the dew to burn off to start cutting and you will already be finished cutting your hay gaining drying time as the others wait to start.
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You can pull most of the small older square balers but you likely can get a neighbor to bale the hay for you until you find the correct used square baler.
 
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Bill Barrett said:
Hey Scott was that you using the IH A ?

Mornin Bill,
No I cant say it was ! :) I got that photo off of Yesterdays Tractors ! ;)
 
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I'd say use a drum mower too. They will require less HP to run and on the MF165 I mow along at 14 MPH :)
 
 

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