MF1160 vs. NH 45A

[jgrisetti]

I have an option of either purchasing a 1996 Massey 1160 or just bite the bullet and purchase a 2007 NH 45A. Both with front end loaders. The Massey will have a Woods 9.5 foot backhoe and the NH will have a 7.5 foot NH backhoe.

I have the Massey at my farm now and have tried it out. I have to say the visibility is not all that great, expecially trying to see where the bucket goes once it disappears over the hood.

Any thoughts or comments?

Thanks ahead of time.

Joe

 

[john_bud]

What's the price, size, FEL capacity and HP difference? What's the hours on the Massey?

One thing about backhoes, reach is probably more important than depth. You don't always go full depth, but you nearly always go full reach.


If the Massey is in good shape, pins and bushings on the hoe are tight and the hours are under 3000, I'd probably think it was a better deal.

What's the new tractor smell worth to you? Remember, it's pretty much gone after the first time you move a pile of manure....

jb

 

[mjarrels]

If the Massey has a Perkins engine... I would go Massey.

mark

 

[Robert_in_NY]

If the Massey has a Perkins engine... I would go Massey.

mark

I have nothing against the Perkins but I do not see how having a used Perkins is better then a brand new New Holland? I have never heard of anyone having problems with the Ford or New Holland engines. The engines seem like a moot point in this.

The Massey is 11 years old and has a big back hoe on it. Does it have a subframe? Unless the price was just too good to pass up I would go with the newer tractor.

 

[jgrisetti]

The Massey has 1500 hours on it. I am not sure if it is a Perkins engine. The HP is the same compared to the NH.

The Woods backhoe is a heavier / stronger and has it's own pump running off the PTO. The NH backhoe would be smaller and run off of the tractors hydraulics, but it would be new.

I look at the Massey, which is 11 years old now, but it has rear remotes and a partial enclosure. It is 4 wheel drive and will cost me about $21900. The NH has better visibility and seems more maneuverable. The NH is 29000 without rear remotes or any kind of enclosure. These prices all include the backhoe and subframe installation as well. The tires on the Massey are about 80%, of course the NH would be new.

I thank you for all of your reponses so far. I appreciate any and all input.

 

[kozak]

Can you get any pics of that Massey on TBN ??

My initial thoughts....I would have to agree with Robert, new is pretty hard to beat even if you are paying more for it. At least you know what your getting plus there is the warranty. Do you know what the history of the Massey is ? Was it well maintained ? Will you get at least 3 to 6 months warranty with the Massey or is it a private deal ??

Vic

 

[dgl24087]

Only info I find is on here: TractorData.com - Massey Ferguson 1160 tractor data. 4 cyl. 137 cid., doesn't sound like it's a Perkins.

 

[JerryG]

The Massey is made my Iseki, it doesn't have a Perkins.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

The Massey has 1500 hours on it. I am not sure if it is a Perkins engine. The HP is the same compared to the NH.

The Woods backhoe is a heavier / stronger and has it's own pump running off the PTO. The NH backhoe would be smaller and run off of the tractors hydraulics, but it would be new.

I look at the Massey, which is 11 years old now, but it has rear remotes and a partial enclosure. It is 4 wheel drive and will cost me about $21900. The NH has better visibility and seems more maneuverable. The NH is 29000 without rear remotes or any kind of enclosure. These prices all include the backhoe and subframe installation as well. The tires on the Massey are about 80%, of course the NH would be new.

I thank you for all of your reponses so far. I appreciate any and all input.

For the price difference I would go with the new tractor. 1500 hours, 11 years old, most likely no warranty, well, that sounds like it is a $15-$17k tractor depending on condition and such.

Good luck with your tractor quest

 

[AndyMA]

I agree, the price difference is just not enough for 1500 hours.

Andy

 

[VistanTN]

The engine in the Massey is an Isuzu 4JC1. The tractor w/o FEL or backhoe should run $6,200 to $8,200. Personally, I think it is priced on the high side for that age and hours.

 

[jgrisetti]

Thanks everyone for your replies and input. I am going with the NH TC45A with new FEL and a slightly used 9' Woods Backhoe.

Pictures to follow - in about 3 weeks.

Thanks again.

Joe

 

[john_bud]

That sounds like a good package. I think you'll really appreciate the extra reach the 9' hoe gives over the 7.5.

So, you now have 3 weeks to order up a hydraulic thumb for the hoe, call diggers hot line, mark out your test plots for all the practice holes you need to dig...


jb