Thanks for the replies; I like the dealer and think they are fair, they seem to really care about their customers. Not planning on loading the tires, I may reconsider after using it for a while however my thought is that it should weigh enough for what I'll be doing. Was thinking about the R-4's but decided on the ags for better traction and I'm not planning to be on finished lawn very often. I've been looking at and compairing a lot of tractors, the massey ferguson is built very well. They look to be a better tractor than the other brands in this size/class.