Manufacturer's with option for propane?

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john12

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1956 JI Case
Does anyone know of a current tractor manufacturer that will give you the option of having a propane setup instead of diesel. Or, even the option of having both? This is a wonderful site... glad I found it. I am 60 years old and new to the farm world. I currently have a 56 JI Case that runs on propane and I love it. But time has taken it's toll on the boy. My wife has quarter horses and mini's and I brush hog about 70 acres and will be using a tiller and front end loader some. Thanks in advance for any info.

Rick and Debbie
 
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Interesting question. I don't know of any of the tractor manufacturers offering the propane option anymore. I've seen lots of the old propane powered tractors, but nothing that was built recently. And I can't recall ever seeing propane offered on a diesel powered tractor. All the ones I was familiar with were gasoline and/or propane. And come to think of it, are there any gasoline powered tractors anymore, other than the lawn and garden tractors?
 
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By the time you got a diesel engine converted to run on straight C3 the cost would be astronomical. :D :D

C3 can be added to the diesel for a extra power boost but this is for special type applications.:confused: :confused:
 
   / Manufacturer's with option for propane? #4  
I would agree with the previous two posters, both out of respect for their vast knowledge of tractors and related equipment and my own knowledge of the chemistry of gasoline, propane, and diesel. Of the three, diesel has the most energy per given amount of fuel and propane has the least.

Propane is stored under a lot of pressure as it is. I don't know how much success you would have with trying compression ignition with the stuff. I suppose it would work, but it seems kind of redundant to have a highly pressurized fuel, decompress it to feed it into a cylinder with some air, then recompress it to cause it to ignite. The decompressing process absorbs energy in the form of heat from somewhere, either the atmosphere or the engine. Then you would need to put mechanical energy into it to compress the fuel/air mix enough to cause it to ignite to get chemical energy out in the form heat that is converted by the movement of the engine parts into mechanical energy again. I'm thinking the amount of energy you need to put in compared to the amount you get out is too great to allow a propane fueled Diesel cycle engine to be very efficient. -- Rudolph would not approve.

I have no idea how much compression you would need to ignite propane, but it's probably considerably less than regular diesel fuel, so it might tend to light off too early in the compression stroke, say when the piston is halfway up the cylinder, for a simple fuel conversion to work. I think you would need to change the valve timing or something to prevent preignition. I'm fairly comfortable in presuming the engine designers have looked at it and decided it's not a viable option.
 
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One would have to design a new fuel pump, new heads, new compression ratio[detonation] , new cam and then add an ignition source if one started with a diesel engine.

A gasoline engine with a carburetor is an easy installation and was/is very common.:D
 
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As daTeacha points out, energy is the key to the amount of work a tractor can do. Propane fueled tractors were last produced in the mid-60's and gas was pretty much gone by the mid-70's. As higher horsepower tractors were developed, they were exclusively diesel due to the energy content. Economies of scale caused major users to convert all their equipment to diesel, thus reducing the demand for gas tractors. It got to the point where it was no longer profitable,due to complexity, to produce both diesel and gas tractors so gas was dropped.
 
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Thanks to the folks who are concerned with the environment, in the not too distant future, we will have 2X ultra low sulfer diesel, which has about 10% less energy content than the low sulfer stuff we are buying today. It is a good thing these folks are looking out for us. The gap between gas, propane and diesel will narrow quite a bit in a few years.
 

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