MAHINDRA QUESTIONS

Travis_R · Jul 24, 2004

Its me again, Travis,

I am looking into the Mahindra line of 2 models. The E350-DI and the 3505-DI. I want to know the MAJOR differences between the two. Is it worth the money to pay $1000-$1300 more for power steering?
Also, I am confused about some features on these tractors. What does "CRPTO" (Constant Running Power Take Off) mean. This is on the 3505. How about Independent PTO? Or, Full live hydraulics? Does the E350 take a over running coupler on the PTO shaft like my ole' Ford 8N did?
How many speeds does the PTO system have on these two Mahindra models? I know they have 540rpm, what else?

I baled hay the other day with a Massey Ferguson 231 tractor and an International 840 baler. I loved it!! The tractor was purchased new between 95' and 97' and has 706 hrs. on it. It is a 45 hp and has a 42 PTO hp with two speeds. One is 540 and I don't know what the other is. I fully understand now what a dual stage clutch is. Man I really do like that set -up. The E350 has a single stage clutch and the 3505 has a dual stage, like the Massey.
I know that I shouldn't compare a 45 hp MF with a 35 hp Mahindra because of the class difference. But for me it is about money and I believe you get more for your money with the Mahindra.

The lift capacity for the Massey is 3,120 lbs. The Mahindra 3505 is 3525 lbs. That is a 405 lb. difference with the Mahindra the winner.

The shipping weight for the Massey is 4, 120 lbs. The Mahindra's operating weight is 3,900 lbs. I am assuming that shipping weight and operating are the same. If it is, then that is ONLY a 220 lbs. difference. So actually the Massey isn't coming out the winner in weight difference (heavier the tractor, the more traction you have on the ground).

The Massey comes with a 2 year/1500 hr. warranty. The Mahindra 3505 comes with a 2 year warranty. So, if you put 2000 hrs. on the Mahindra in 1 1/2 years, you are still covered, correct?

Like I said, I don't know if the Mahindra has a 2 speed PTO. I know the Massey does. But I don't think it is worth paying $3000.00 more for 10 more horse power and a name.

I know I have done typed all of this and I won't erase it. But I really want the main differences in the E350 and the 3505. I like the looks of the E350 better, that is why I am leaning more towards it. But looks don't beat performance. Let me know what the differences are.

Thanks,
Travis

OH!! I was quoted $8,500.00 for the E350 Mahindra $9,600.00 for the 3505 Mahindra and $12,500.00 for the 231S Massey Ferguson.

Egon · Jul 24, 2004

Power steering is very nice. The wrists, elbows and shoulders will thank you for it.

Egon

shvl73 · Jul 24, 2004

The power steering & two stage clutch would sway me to the 3505.

MessickFarmEqu · Jul 24, 2004

If its a consideration for you, power steering makes a HUGE difference in any resale value that the tractor might have.

WTM · Jul 24, 2004

I have 85 hours on my E350 DI. I have used it for grading and heavy bush hogging mainly. Found it to be very dependable and easy to maintain. Fuel economy is phenomenal. It did come with an over running PTO extension but I used to have the same type of transmission driven PTO on an International 240. The reason for the over running shaft is to prevent the momentum from PTO equipment from "pushing" the tractor a few feet after you clutch the tractor. I wanted a simple maintainance free tractor so I purposely purchased one with no P/S (just something else to go wrong). Why do you think so many of the tractors from the 40's , 50's and 60's arestill around.
However, the two stage clutch might be useful when allowing a baler to "catch up" in heavy grass.
I have really been pleased with my E350 DI.

Travis_R · Jul 25, 2004

Thanks for the replies. I had a 1949 Ford 8N when I was 18. I am now 20. I know how the tractor will be "pushed" without an over running clutch installed on the PTO shaft. BUT, will the E350 be like the 8N as far as the 3 point hitch won't lift if the clutch is pressed in? Is it set up like the 8N? Does the hydraulic pump run off of the transmission? Will the hydraulics work if the PTO IS NOT engaged? All these dam things confuse me /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif. Will the 3 point hitch come up if the clutch is pressed in? As far as this question goes, is the 3505 DI the same way, OR does the E350 and 3505 have the same type of hydraulic system??

WHAT DOES INDEPENENT, FULL-LIVE HYDRAULICS AND CRPTO (constant running power take off) MEAN?

DOES THE E350 AND 3505 HAVE TWO SPEED PTO, OR JUST A SINGLE 540rpm?

DOES ANYONE ABOUT KNOW THE RE-SALE VALUE OF A E350 AND A 3505?

Thanks in advance,
Travis

WTM · Jul 25, 2004

Both the 350 and 3505 have a single speed 540 rpm (at 2100 engine rpm) PTO. The hydraulics work anytime the engine is running and the pump runs off the engine. Very good lift capacity. Pull up Mahindra's web site or a dealer like Bill's Tractor in San Antonio to get specifications on the tractors you are interested in.

WTM · Jul 25, 2004

The 350 has a transmission driven PTO with a single stage clutch meaning that if the tractor is in gear and the PTO is on, the tractor and the PTO start when the clutch is let out and stop when the clutch is pushed in.
The 3505 has CR(constant running)PTO with a two stage clutch.
The first stage allows the PTO to start and the second stage starts the movement of the tractor. When using a machine like a hay baler, you can pause the tractor without stopping the PTO. This is an advantage over the 350. Every thing else is much the same on the two tractors except for P/S.

Travis_R · Jul 25, 2004

WTM,

Thanks for the replies. On both the E350 and 3505, will the 3-point hitch lift WITHOUT the PTO in the ENGAGED position?

Bottom line: Does the PTO shaft have to be spinning(engaged all the time) in order for the hydraulics to work? Like a Ford 8N?

Thanks,
Travis

DavesTractor · Jul 25, 2004

The pump is engine driven and independent of what you do with the PTO. With the PTO on or off, the rear lift arms function. Likewise, with the clutch in or out, the lift arms function.

Travis_R · Jul 25, 2004

Dave,

Thank you for the reply. From what you told me, does this apply to both the E350 and the 3505, or just one of them?

What has me "throwed off" is the E350's over running clutch.

Thanks,
Travis

DavesTractor · Jul 25, 2004

Travis,

Both.

Travis_R · Jul 26, 2004

Dave,

Thanks for your time.

Are you a Mahindra dealer? If you are or aren't, what would be a fair price on the Mahindra E350 DI, cheap (Howse) 5ft. rotary cutter, a cheap (Howse) 5ft. box blade, and a tandem axle trailer, plus tax? How much without the trailer?

Please give me a price on everything above, but using the Mahindra 3505 DI.

I would also like to know what a good cash price would be.

Thanks,
Travis

P.S......I don't really care for Howse implements. I just want a round about figure.

Travis_R · Jul 26, 2004

OH!!! I almost forgot.

What kind of engine (name brand) comes in the E350 and 3505? I have heard something like Dae Dong or Dong Feng or something. Whatever it is, I heard that they are the makers of the engines for KIOTI. Is this true, or just hear- say?

Travis

DavesTractor · Jul 26, 2004

Travis,
I am a dealer, but I am thousand of miles away in Northern California. Go to Mahindra USA and look up some local dealers. Call them and ask them questions and prices.

I do not post prices in this forum, and frankly by the time they ship tractors from Texas or Georgia (where they are warehoused in the USA) to me in California and then for me to ship one back, I could not compete with your local dealers.

Call a local dealer, have him send you some brochures, or go look at one. I am glad to answer questions, but I think it is time you drove one of these.

froggy · Jul 26, 2004

Here are several dealers to contact:

Chandler Equipment http://www.chandlerequip.com
Address : 32822 Greenwell Springs Rd
Greenwell Springs LA 70739 1
Tel : 225-654-9269
Fax : 225-658-8717
Distance(in miles): Approx. 17 Miles

Singleton Sales & Service
Address : 47479 Hwy 10 E.
Franklinton LA 70438 1
Tel : 985-839-5844
Fax : 985-839-8992
Distance(in miles): Approx. 48 Miles

Liberty Tractor
Address : 1620 E. Main St.
Liberty MS 39645 1
Tel : 601-657-8255
Fax : 601-657-8219
Distance(in miles): Approx. 53 Miles

Lemann's Farm Supply
Address : 1325 St Patrick Hwy
Thibodaux LA 70301 1
Tel : 985-447-3776
Fax : 985-446-6217
Distance(in miles): Approx. 54 Miles

Sammy Broussard's Lawn & Garden
Address : 1511 Center
New Iberia LA 70562 1
Tel : 337-367-5296
Fax : 337-365-2163
Distance(in miles): Approx. 70 Miles

Travis_R · Jul 26, 2004

To everyone,

Thanks for the replies.

I am leaning more towards the Mahindra E350 DI. That is the one i'll probably get when I get ready to buy. But, like Dave said, i'll have to test drive it first and see if I like the hydraulic set up and the tractor in general.

Again, thank ya'll and i'll post back when I buy my tractor. May be 4 to 6 months but i'll post.

Travis R

Smithla · Jul 28, 2004

Travis,

I purchased a used Mahindra, Model 4005, and it has power steering, and all of the other features of the 3505. I would not have a tractor without the P/S, as it takes both hands, arms to drive that puppy, especially at slow speeds, and there are other things you may need your hands for, lift, changing gears, etc. Plus the two stage clutch for a brush hog is great .

I paid $10K six months ago, had a FEL, brush hog, and box blade. Only 470 hours, and the only thing I could wish for is 4 wheel drive, and possibly a HST. Great tractor, very strong.

Good Luck, Les

Poncho · Jul 28, 2004

Travis..... defininately go with power steering!! I have an old MF135 without it.... if you hit a rut, rock or whatever and have a steering somewhat between your fingers, you will damage tendons and ligaments in your hand. That's what happened to me at least /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif.... so my next tractor will have power steering wiht a steering knob attached.