Lubrication of the main lifting bolts

[johara1]

i also think it should rotate on the bolt and the ball is used for misalignment. i think a good winter project will be to drill and tap the bolts for zerk fittings /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[jol1269]

well i guess im not smart enough in the area of these ball joints yet but it seems as if there are three ideas working here 1 where the ball doesnt need to rotate around the joint but just the bolt 2 where both the ball joint moves and the sleeve moves on the bolt and 3 where the ball joint only moves and the sleeve is stationary on the bolt so now im totally confused and not sure of what is correct is there a site anywhere that will have the definative and correct answer i dont mind admiting im ignorant on this issue but i really would like the correct answer ........... i do appreciate all the info though guys i just want my pt to be around many many years before i have to worry about fixing something i could have prevented

 

[MossRoad]

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree, as you mentioned there are three solutions. I'm sure all of us will, however, agree that is has to be lubricated well, no matter which solution we use. That will be the key to longevity. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[FOURTEEN]

/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif "" is there a site anywhere that will have the definative and correct answer "" /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif


/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Yes!! You are on it!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

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[Clarke]

Misalignment of what..

sg

 

[jol1269]

ok now ... lets have a show of hands for who is shimming and who isnt shimming the bolts my hand is now up for the shimming ...since i ran out and shimmed mine from the other couple of guys post i thought it might be correctas im not sure of what alignment has to do with the ball joints ... but like i said im ignorant on this issue

 

[stray]

I will have to raise my hand to the NO shimming. Just keep the bolts tight enough to keep them from rotating in the outside mounts. I wonder if 14 is leaving them loose as he says he rotates when he lubes them. Anyway my vote is for NO shimming.

 

[Clarke]

Mine are shimmed and staying shimmed. I called PT the other day for a shipping quote on some new attachments. As I said before I spoke with Terry about the joints. He told me the center ball should be stationary but it doesn't make much difference if it isn't. Terry was my maintenance trainer and told me to use Super Lube on the ball mostly to stop squeaks. (knowing what I know now I would like to do that again) Before I shimmed the ball joints the machine made all kinds of weird noises when I curled the bucket with a heavy load, the noise would stop for a while if I sprayed Super Lube on the joints.. Since I have shimmed and lube with 14's mixture the noises are gone. I am trying to determine what type of steel the ball is made of. If it is some type of low carbon steel it may not be easy to drill and tap. I am confused about the link ends myself but rotating around a stationary ball that you can lube properly makes more sense to me.

sg

 

[J_J]

Who ever started that shimming business should be ashamed, you are making others question their common sense.
If you are going to shim those lifting joints, why not go ahead and shim all six joints on each of the cylinders also.

I have one of the early 90's 1445, and have never used shims. On all the millions of 3ph units, I'll bet no one uses shims to keep the bolt or pin tight. A good lube on a regular basis, is all that is required.

THOSE JOINTS ARE SUPPOSED TO MOVE STRICTLY FOR ALIGNING THE BOLT OR PIN TO THE IMPLEMENT. IT IS A PART TIME BEARING, IN THAT IT NEVER SPINS IN THE SOCKET, ONLY MOVING AROUND THE SHAFT. PROBABLY 180 DEGREES.

LUBE, LUBE, LUBE AND NO SHIMMING. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To all those that uses shims, good luck.

I stand by all that I have said. Thank You.

 

[MossRoad]

So are you saying you are not going to shim? Just kidding! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

This thread has the potential to become the gear VS hydro of the Power Trac world. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[J_J]

I sure hope this is the end of the shim story.

 

[FOURTEEN]

"" I wonder if 14 is leaving them loose ""

I make the bolts 'snug tight'. Tight enough to prevent the bolt from rotating or loosening, but not so tight as to bend in the ears of the mount.

I do not use shims. The arm will rotate at whichever connection has the least friction. I would rather replace my bolts someday than my balls!! But, with both free to move, that prospect is very unlikely!

PS: Glad you folks like my mixture!!

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[stray]

Ok 14 looks like I'm in line with your thinking. One other thing. If one greases the main joints with a grease gun then I am thanking that only the bolt gets lubricated. Thus I will spray the ball of these joints as well.

 

[FOURTEEN]

"" only the bolt gets lubricated ""


After removing the bolt, spread grease inside the hole with your tool. Coat the bolt with grease, and reinstall.
Periodically, and after each washing, paint your balls with 14's Mixture!

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[johara1]

all attachment points,have to be welded ,if the are not welded in perfect alignment,and the wear from use.these joints makeup for this condition.most large equipment have went to this system long ago.
where are you guys getting super lube now? i use to get it at lowes, but they don't have it any more.

 

[jol1269]

walmart has it ...or had it been a couple of month since i got mine there and by the way i also talked to terry at pt and he told me the same as someone else here about the shimming not needed and to use superlube so i think i may try 14s mixture and remove the shims and just tighten the bolts so they dont move and left the movement happen where it will after i lube the bolt with some grease and the ball joint with the super 14 mixture /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif