LT Cubs Unite!!!

TPajak · Jun 2, 2006

( Or... hold beer bottle in your hand like I do on my 682 /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

-Fordlords-
)

then i'd really fit in with these country bumkins...lol..but alas me an alcohol are not friends...allergic reactions keep me from getting too fat and drunk...which may be a good thing being im 5'9 and 250 but can lift this 1042 without blinkin an eye

TPajak · Jun 2, 2006

( Or... hold beer bottle in your hand like I do on my 682 /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

-Fordlords-
)

then i'd really fit in with these country bumkins...lol..but alas me an alcohol are not friends...allergic reactions keep me from getting too fat and drunk...which may be a good thing being im 5'9 and 250 but can lift this 1042 without blinkin an eye

SuburbanSam · Jun 2, 2006

I hope that this is at least my last statement on bashing because I really wanted this thread to go another way but...
All these posts were indeed made by you FordLords just as TangoWhiskey said. And unfortunately they as well as many other didn't make me feel real good about spending almost $3,000 on my LT series. I have a Mercedes E class, but if I keep bashing the C and SLK lines I either wind up sounding elitist, or insecure (whichever you prefer). But I definitely don't come off sounding like I'm trying to help Benz "improve the line" as you suggest? You have given a great deal of advice and incredible insight. But with no balance in the forum, I tell you that if I were to get a flat tire, I would have taken my CC back and gotten a Deere based on all the neg about the line. The only other thread that I could at all use out of the balance was the "Does anyone Like their LT?", again indicating to me that the author also was very skiddish about his purchase.

Also want to thank the person for sharing with us what a belt slippage could and could not cause. I was definitely expecting the worst.

Without sounding like pansies the rest of the way, it would be really great if we could get back to how to EFFECTIVELY use our LT's, tips tricks and methods to get the most out of our vehicles without having to run back to the dealer with an additional $2,000 borrowed out from our 401ks just because we chose to read this "expert", "unbiased", "insightfull" site to learn about our cubs.

( Briggs has only one engine I would even remotely consider, that is the Vanguard which is their top of the line engine. (I just learned on the CC forum here at TBN it is made for Briggs by Diahatsu.) The I/C and Intek are virtually identical engines, and Kohler created their cheaper Courage lineup to use on entry level machines much in the same way Briggs does with the Inteks. None of the under $2000 machines will get a decent Kohler Command any longer. Most of the top end over $2k tractors will likely get Kohler Command, Briggs Vanguard, Kawasaki, or Honda power.

The average lifespan of the small lawn tractors is around 400-500 hours, so tractor makers wanted more economy minded engines for those smaller models to keep the costs down, hense the Kohler Courage and Briggs Intek 750 hour engines. Command, Vanguard, Honda and Kawi are rated for 2000 hours, and are more expensive to manufacture.

-Fordlords-

Honda does not compromise quality or have a, "Here is our economy one, and here is our good engine," lineup like Kohler and Briggs have been strong-armed into doing with the Command/Courage and Vanguard/Intek lines. Kawasaki can't afford to lose their reputation that way either, thus they have no, "cheapo," lineup of small engines either.

For a good balance and value look at Cub Cadet's GT 2554 model- a bit pricier than the cheap LT jobs at $3399, but it has great credentials- Heavy frame, VERY heavy duty hydro, shaft drive, Kohler Command engine, and a deck with a cut quality that is hard to beat. It's a really decent machine that will endure, why waste money on a cheapo 10 year LT when for $1000 more you can get a 20+ year machine that can twist the cheap LT's into pieces performance wise? It really is a get what you pay for scenario, and the best values are in the upper-middle range of machines. I like JD, they are great machines, not brand bashing but when it comes down to equal credentials vs. value, new JD yard equipment IMHO is WAY overpriced compared to the offerings of others.

-Fordlords-

Kohler Courage vs. Kohler Command/Kawasaki/Honda/Briggs Vanguard engines?? The Courage is rated for 750 hours of life. It is built like the cheap Briggs Intek engines. The others are rated for 2000 hours of life- that's a big difference.

-Fordlords-

My humble opinion and that of many others is if you want a Cub Cadet, get at least one of the 2000 series shaft driven tractors and stay away from the LT models with the belt driven hydros. The 2000's start at $3k, but are MUCH better machines than the 1000 or 1500's which are light duty lawn tractors. All Cub Cadets are built by MTD and have been since 1981, and the CC 1000/1500's are indeed very similar "cheap" machines to the ones MTD makes under their other product names. (Look at anything seeming cheap and the little blades of grass by the name and you have it!) The CC 2000-3000 GT's are MTD's highest end garden tractors and are proven performers. The lesser MTD/CC stuff is basically throwaway on par with Craftsman and Wal-Mart LT's and even the cheap JD LT's.

-Fordlords-
 )

SuburbanSam · Jun 2, 2006

I hope that this is at least my last statement on bashing because I really wanted this thread to go another way but...
All these posts were indeed made by you FordLords just as TangoWhiskey said. And unfortunately they as well as many other didn't make me feel real good about spending almost $3,000 on my LT series. I have a Mercedes E class, but if I keep bashing the C and SLK lines I either wind up sounding elitist, or insecure (whichever you prefer). But I definitely don't come off sounding like I'm trying to help Benz "improve the line" as you suggest? You have given a great deal of advice and incredible insight. But with no balance in the forum, I tell you that if I were to get a flat tire, I would have taken my CC back and gotten a Deere based on all the neg about the line. The only other thread that I could at all use out of the balance was the "Does anyone Like their LT?", again indicating to me that the author also was very skiddish about his purchase.

Also want to thank the person for sharing with us what a belt slippage could and could not cause. I was definitely expecting the worst.

Without sounding like pansies the rest of the way, it would be really great if we could get back to how to EFFECTIVELY use our LT's, tips tricks and methods to get the most out of our vehicles without having to run back to the dealer with an additional $2,000 borrowed out from our 401ks just because we chose to read this "expert", "unbiased", "insightfull" site to learn about our cubs.

( Briggs has only one engine I would even remotely consider, that is the Vanguard which is their top of the line engine. (I just learned on the CC forum here at TBN it is made for Briggs by Diahatsu.) The I/C and Intek are virtually identical engines, and Kohler created their cheaper Courage lineup to use on entry level machines much in the same way Briggs does with the Inteks. None of the under $2000 machines will get a decent Kohler Command any longer. Most of the top end over $2k tractors will likely get Kohler Command, Briggs Vanguard, Kawasaki, or Honda power.

The average lifespan of the small lawn tractors is around 400-500 hours, so tractor makers wanted more economy minded engines for those smaller models to keep the costs down, hense the Kohler Courage and Briggs Intek 750 hour engines. Command, Vanguard, Honda and Kawi are rated for 2000 hours, and are more expensive to manufacture.

-Fordlords-

Honda does not compromise quality or have a, "Here is our economy one, and here is our good engine," lineup like Kohler and Briggs have been strong-armed into doing with the Command/Courage and Vanguard/Intek lines. Kawasaki can't afford to lose their reputation that way either, thus they have no, "cheapo," lineup of small engines either.

For a good balance and value look at Cub Cadet's GT 2554 model- a bit pricier than the cheap LT jobs at $3399, but it has great credentials- Heavy frame, VERY heavy duty hydro, shaft drive, Kohler Command engine, and a deck with a cut quality that is hard to beat. It's a really decent machine that will endure, why waste money on a cheapo 10 year LT when for $1000 more you can get a 20+ year machine that can twist the cheap LT's into pieces performance wise? It really is a get what you pay for scenario, and the best values are in the upper-middle range of machines. I like JD, they are great machines, not brand bashing but when it comes down to equal credentials vs. value, new JD yard equipment IMHO is WAY overpriced compared to the offerings of others.

-Fordlords-

Kohler Courage vs. Kohler Command/Kawasaki/Honda/Briggs Vanguard engines?? The Courage is rated for 750 hours of life. It is built like the cheap Briggs Intek engines. The others are rated for 2000 hours of life- that's a big difference.

-Fordlords-

My humble opinion and that of many others is if you want a Cub Cadet, get at least one of the 2000 series shaft driven tractors and stay away from the LT models with the belt driven hydros. The 2000's start at $3k, but are MUCH better machines than the 1000 or 1500's which are light duty lawn tractors. All Cub Cadets are built by MTD and have been since 1981, and the CC 1000/1500's are indeed very similar "cheap" machines to the ones MTD makes under their other product names. (Look at anything seeming cheap and the little blades of grass by the name and you have it!) The CC 2000-3000 GT's are MTD's highest end garden tractors and are proven performers. The lesser MTD/CC stuff is basically throwaway on par with Craftsman and Wal-Mart LT's and even the cheap JD LT's.

-Fordlords-
 )

Flip221 · Jun 2, 2006

( I hope that this is at least my last statement on bashing because I really wanted this thread to go another way but...
All these posts were indeed made by you FordLords just as TangoWhiskey said. And unfortunately they as well as many other didn't make me feel real good about spending almost $3,000 on my LT series. I have a Mercedes E class, but if I keep bashing the C and SLK lines I either wind up sounding elitist, or insecure (whichever you prefer). But I definitely don't come off sounding like I'm trying to help Benz "improve the line" as you suggest? You have given a great deal of advice and incredible insight. But with no balance in the forum, I tell you that if I were to get a flat tire, I would have taken my CC back and gotten a Deere based on all the neg about the line. The only other thread that I could at all use out of the balance was the "Does anyone Like their LT?", again indicating to me that the author also was very skiddish about his purchase.

Also want to thank the person for sharing with us what a belt slippage could and could not cause. I was definitely expecting the worst.

Without sounding like pansies the rest of the way, it would be really great if we could get back to how to EFFECTIVELY use our LT's, tips tricks and methods to get the most out of our vehicles without having to run back to the dealer with an additional $2,000 borrowed out from our 401ks just because we chose to read this "expert", "unbiased", "insightfull" site to learn about our cubs.

 )
)

I don't really see any bashing in FordLords posts... Most of what he said is fact.

The CC 1000's are very nice tractors for the money, just like the 2500's are very nice for the money, and the 3000's etc.

The build of the 1000 series and the 2500 series don't really compare, nor should they!

For anyone looking for a lawn mower, the 1000 series CC's are about the best bang you can get for your buck. Buy it and don't look back! So what if the engines (are rated to) last only 750 hours; that is a long **** time! At 50 hours/year, that's 15 years.

BUT - if you are going to do more with it than intended, then don't complain about it when it doesn't hold up or doesn't do what you think it should (even though the Mfr says it isn't designed for such things).

I was one who took FordLords adivce and traded up to the CC 2544 from a CC 1046. I wanted more out of the 1046 than it could (reliably) deliver, so I traded up (and paid the dealer a 10% restock fee on my 2006 1046 with 5 hrs. on it).

The extra $1000 shows all over the place, but it doesn't make the 1000 series a bad tractor! It just needs to be used for its intended use.

As far as "bashing", you have to remember that 90% of people who end up here (MyTF, TBN, etc.) end up here because they have a problem and are looking for an answer. While a lot of us (obviously) love to read up on other's experiences and post positives, the truth is we are a VERY small percentage of the population who own these machines.

Just my 2 cents.

Flip221 · Jun 2, 2006

( I hope that this is at least my last statement on bashing because I really wanted this thread to go another way but...
All these posts were indeed made by you FordLords just as TangoWhiskey said. And unfortunately they as well as many other didn't make me feel real good about spending almost $3,000 on my LT series. I have a Mercedes E class, but if I keep bashing the C and SLK lines I either wind up sounding elitist, or insecure (whichever you prefer). But I definitely don't come off sounding like I'm trying to help Benz "improve the line" as you suggest? You have given a great deal of advice and incredible insight. But with no balance in the forum, I tell you that if I were to get a flat tire, I would have taken my CC back and gotten a Deere based on all the neg about the line. The only other thread that I could at all use out of the balance was the "Does anyone Like their LT?", again indicating to me that the author also was very skiddish about his purchase.

Also want to thank the person for sharing with us what a belt slippage could and could not cause. I was definitely expecting the worst.

Without sounding like pansies the rest of the way, it would be really great if we could get back to how to EFFECTIVELY use our LT's, tips tricks and methods to get the most out of our vehicles without having to run back to the dealer with an additional $2,000 borrowed out from our 401ks just because we chose to read this "expert", "unbiased", "insightfull" site to learn about our cubs.

 )
)

I don't really see any bashing in FordLords posts... Most of what he said is fact.

The CC 1000's are very nice tractors for the money, just like the 2500's are very nice for the money, and the 3000's etc.

The build of the 1000 series and the 2500 series don't really compare, nor should they!

For anyone looking for a lawn mower, the 1000 series CC's are about the best bang you can get for your buck. Buy it and don't look back! So what if the engines (are rated to) last only 750 hours; that is a long **** time! At 50 hours/year, that's 15 years.

BUT - if you are going to do more with it than intended, then don't complain about it when it doesn't hold up or doesn't do what you think it should (even though the Mfr says it isn't designed for such things).

I was one who took FordLords adivce and traded up to the CC 2544 from a CC 1046. I wanted more out of the 1046 than it could (reliably) deliver, so I traded up (and paid the dealer a 10% restock fee on my 2006 1046 with 5 hrs. on it).

The extra $1000 shows all over the place, but it doesn't make the 1000 series a bad tractor! It just needs to be used for its intended use.

As far as "bashing", you have to remember that 90% of people who end up here (MyTF, TBN, etc.) end up here because they have a problem and are looking for an answer. While a lot of us (obviously) love to read up on other's experiences and post positives, the truth is we are a VERY small percentage of the population who own these machines.

Just my 2 cents.

SuburbanSam · Jun 2, 2006

Flip221, Thank you for your post. My (and now many others who've commented on this thread) is that there are VERY few of your type of post and many more even harsher than FordLords. In fact "what it is intended for" as you stated, without any definition, more than most would make someone switch to another brand. Maybe it's just me, but if I need more than "what it is intended for" out of my LT cub, then I'm going to trade it for a JD, or a Kubota. I'm not going to spend more with a company that has allready disapointed me or one inwhich forum members make open ended statements like "when it doesn't hold up" with no meaning behind it. If my Audi Quatro has sudden accelaration syndrome and crashes through my garage, I'm not going back to the Audi dealer and giving him another 10k for a bigger model?

Why don't you at least list some of those things that you've found were limitations to your 1046, or what you feel are the lines intentions are and what your intentions were, so that a newbie reading posts can easily be able to say "If I have purpose X, Y and Z then I need tractor 123, or if I am only going to do P, Q and R, then I need tractor 456". This would enable new folks to make clear, unbiased, informed decisions, in order to AVOID the 10% restocking fee, towing and all the rest. Goodness knows this shouldn't have been a forum etiquette thread, but I must tell you that how my acre of land is laid out, and the above post describing what really happens if the drive belt breaks, I can honestly tell you that I ABSOLUTELY overbought in the tractor area.

Many have initially come to this forum to make sure that there salesperson at HD or Cub Corporate wasn't doing just that, selling.

If there were even a few more threads out here to add balance to this subject, I would have spent $500-$1000 less money and $500-$1000 more in things to put in my cupholder. As well, you very well could have bought the right 2500 tractor in the first place.

Again what would really make this whole thing worth it is if you would tell us what you were doing with your 1046 originally, what else you wanted to do while you drove it in those first 5 hours, what it couldn't do, and what you now do with your 2500 series. That way the rest of the world can figure out for themselves what their workload would be like and make some intelligent decisions. Who knows there may be some people who live in DownTown ManHattan who want to pull stumps in Central Park. Thus they would readily know that they need a 3000 series???

SuburbanSam · Jun 2, 2006

Flip221, Thank you for your post. My (and now many others who've commented on this thread) is that there are VERY few of your type of post and many more even harsher than FordLords. In fact "what it is intended for" as you stated, without any definition, more than most would make someone switch to another brand. Maybe it's just me, but if I need more than "what it is intended for" out of my LT cub, then I'm going to trade it for a JD, or a Kubota. I'm not going to spend more with a company that has allready disapointed me or one inwhich forum members make open ended statements like "when it doesn't hold up" with no meaning behind it. If my Audi Quatro has sudden accelaration syndrome and crashes through my garage, I'm not going back to the Audi dealer and giving him another 10k for a bigger model?

Why don't you at least list some of those things that you've found were limitations to your 1046, or what you feel are the lines intentions are and what your intentions were, so that a newbie reading posts can easily be able to say "If I have purpose X, Y and Z then I need tractor 123, or if I am only going to do P, Q and R, then I need tractor 456". This would enable new folks to make clear, unbiased, informed decisions, in order to AVOID the 10% restocking fee, towing and all the rest. Goodness knows this shouldn't have been a forum etiquette thread, but I must tell you that how my acre of land is laid out, and the above post describing what really happens if the drive belt breaks, I can honestly tell you that I ABSOLUTELY overbought in the tractor area.

Many have initially come to this forum to make sure that there salesperson at HD or Cub Corporate wasn't doing just that, selling.

If there were even a few more threads out here to add balance to this subject, I would have spent $500-$1000 less money and $500-$1000 more in things to put in my cupholder. As well, you very well could have bought the right 2500 tractor in the first place.

Again what would really make this whole thing worth it is if you would tell us what you were doing with your 1046 originally, what else you wanted to do while you drove it in those first 5 hours, what it couldn't do, and what you now do with your 2500 series. That way the rest of the world can figure out for themselves what their workload would be like and make some intelligent decisions. Who knows there may be some people who live in DownTown ManHattan who want to pull stumps in Central Park. Thus they would readily know that they need a 3000 series???

DmansPadge · Jun 2, 2006

( Or... hold beer bottle in your hand like I do on my 682 /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

-Fordlords-
)

Finally... a REAL answer!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

DmansPadge · Jun 2, 2006

( Or... hold beer bottle in your hand like I do on my 682 /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

-Fordlords-
)

Finally... a REAL answer!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

wojnaroski · Jun 2, 2006

Everyone should have the right to express their thoughts, pro or con. Comments made by individuals should only be a part of the buying process.

No matter what the brand, the key should be to deal with a reputable dealer. A good dealer is the key to satisfaction after the sale. I have had a few problems with my selling dealer but found another who gladly performed the needed warranty work. Cub has stood behind their product 100% for me, even paying for transportation costs.

I do agree that sometimes these posts do go astray. Please try to start a new thread about positive uses for the LT series. Looking forward to the posts.

Just my opinion, Alan.

wojnaroski · Jun 2, 2006

Everyone should have the right to express their thoughts, pro or con. Comments made by individuals should only be a part of the buying process.

No matter what the brand, the key should be to deal with a reputable dealer. A good dealer is the key to satisfaction after the sale. I have had a few problems with my selling dealer but found another who gladly performed the needed warranty work. Cub has stood behind their product 100% for me, even paying for transportation costs.

I do agree that sometimes these posts do go astray. Please try to start a new thread about positive uses for the LT series. Looking forward to the posts.

Just my opinion, Alan.

Fordlords · Jun 2, 2006

Without singling out individual posters, which BTW I think is REALLY unfair, let me clear the air here in regards to my posts about the CC LT's.

I stated the facts I knew as facts, and my opinions were opinions, often pointed out as humble opinions. That is one of the intents of these forums, and I am not sorry that I look at things in the world in a matter-of-factual manner, and not through a pair of rose tinted glasses. If anything I intended to post as a fact is untrue, please point those things out to me and I will apologize and stand corrected. I did not at any time break any rules here at TBN, and the intent of my posts was not to make anyone regret their purchase of a CC LT.

I think my posts were misconstrued as, "Bashing," because I am a lover of the old IH Cub Cadets and would just like to see the CC machines MTD makes get back to the quality that the old Cubs were known for. I feel (again, opinion) that MTD is cheaping the CC's out to a point that the brand name is losing respect, and that the company has a very lackadaisical concern for quality control. My posts were plainly not bashing, they were strong opinions, and there have been no instances where I have claimed to be an expert know-it-all, but lawn and garden tractors have been a big hobby of mine for over 30 years so I MIGHT be able to tell good from not-so-good.

-Fordlords-

Fordlords · Jun 2, 2006

Without singling out individual posters, which BTW I think is REALLY unfair, let me clear the air here in regards to my posts about the CC LT's.

I stated the facts I knew as facts, and my opinions were opinions, often pointed out as humble opinions. That is one of the intents of these forums, and I am not sorry that I look at things in the world in a matter-of-factual manner, and not through a pair of rose tinted glasses. If anything I intended to post as a fact is untrue, please point those things out to me and I will apologize and stand corrected. I did not at any time break any rules here at TBN, and the intent of my posts was not to make anyone regret their purchase of a CC LT.

I think my posts were misconstrued as, "Bashing," because I am a lover of the old IH Cub Cadets and would just like to see the CC machines MTD makes get back to the quality that the old Cubs were known for. I feel (again, opinion) that MTD is cheaping the CC's out to a point that the brand name is losing respect, and that the company has a very lackadaisical concern for quality control. My posts were plainly not bashing, they were strong opinions, and there have been no instances where I have claimed to be an expert know-it-all, but lawn and garden tractors have been a big hobby of mine for over 30 years so I MIGHT be able to tell good from not-so-good.

-Fordlords-

SuburbanSam · Jun 3, 2006

( Without singling out individual posters, which BTW I think is REALLY unfair, let me clear the air here in regards to my posts about the CC LT's.

I stated the facts I knew as facts, and my opinions were opinions, often pointed out as humble opinions. That is one of the intents of these forums, and I am not sorry that I look at things in the world in a matter-of-factual manner, and not through a pair of rose tinted glasses. If anything I intended to post as a fact is untrue, please point those things out to me and I will apologize and stand corrected. I did not at any time break any rules here at TBN, and the intent of my posts was not to make anyone regret their purchase of a CC LT.

I think my posts were misconstrued as, "Bashing," because I am a lover of the old IH Cub Cadets and would just like to see the CC machines MTD makes get back to the quality that the old Cubs were known for. I feel (again, opinion) that MTD is cheaping the CC's out to a point that the brand name is losing respect, and that the company has a very lackadaisical concern for quality control. My posts were plainly not bashing, they were strong opinions, and there have been no instances where I have claimed to be an expert know-it-all, but lawn and garden tractors have been a big hobby of mine for over 30 years so I MIGHT be able to tell good from not-so-good.
)

AdaBoy, Now that's a post. Man if all the energy in this thread was used to get that much heart felt emotion out of a real tractor man, it's been all worth it. Unfortunately we newbies never saw that in not only yours but many other posts out here.
Just do me a favor and count the number of times you used "cheap" in the posts that I happened to pull. We 1000ers heard that much much more than the fact that we are also a part of a special legacy. And that we should also join you in pressing MTD to make all their tractors better for all of us.

And that's all the news that's fit to print!

SuburbanSam · Jun 3, 2006

( Without singling out individual posters, which BTW I think is REALLY unfair, let me clear the air here in regards to my posts about the CC LT's.

I stated the facts I knew as facts, and my opinions were opinions, often pointed out as humble opinions. That is one of the intents of these forums, and I am not sorry that I look at things in the world in a matter-of-factual manner, and not through a pair of rose tinted glasses. If anything I intended to post as a fact is untrue, please point those things out to me and I will apologize and stand corrected. I did not at any time break any rules here at TBN, and the intent of my posts was not to make anyone regret their purchase of a CC LT.

I think my posts were misconstrued as, "Bashing," because I am a lover of the old IH Cub Cadets and would just like to see the CC machines MTD makes get back to the quality that the old Cubs were known for. I feel (again, opinion) that MTD is cheaping the CC's out to a point that the brand name is losing respect, and that the company has a very lackadaisical concern for quality control. My posts were plainly not bashing, they were strong opinions, and there have been no instances where I have claimed to be an expert know-it-all, but lawn and garden tractors have been a big hobby of mine for over 30 years so I MIGHT be able to tell good from not-so-good.
)

AdaBoy, Now that's a post. Man if all the energy in this thread was used to get that much heart felt emotion out of a real tractor man, it's been all worth it. Unfortunately we newbies never saw that in not only yours but many other posts out here.
Just do me a favor and count the number of times you used "cheap" in the posts that I happened to pull. We 1000ers heard that much much more than the fact that we are also a part of a special legacy. And that we should also join you in pressing MTD to make all their tractors better for all of us.

And that's all the news that's fit to print!

stevebig · Jun 3, 2006

Wow suburbansan you need to mellow out some.

Here is my first post where I first read Fordlords and I think he is doing a fine job with his feedback. Oh by the way my Ford truck had to have the transmission rebuilt at 95K miles, I should probably blame him since he has Ford in his name /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Board/cubcadet/Number/851967/page/0/view/sb/sb/5/fpart/1/vc/1/o/all

Here is some additional food for thought......
The problem I see with these manufactures is that they don't disclose what these tractors can or can't be used for. Plus you can't trust every dealers or a box store to tell you. Further more you can't just assume that every post like the one started above that every tractor has the same problem as mine did. You know every manufacture has problems with their product including car/truck manufactures like my 98 F-150 /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif but you either get it fixed or you buy something new this is called life.

So with that said Yes I do believe that these tractor manufactures need some bashing once in the while to keep them in line with MADE IN THE USA should still mean quality and maybe even some honest up front answers might be nice as well before you buy their product.

I dare you go to CC website and see if you can find anything on what these tractors can or can't haul or go up what kinds of slopes (oh slopes they may say a min. slope for mowing for saftey to cover their butt...these tractors can go up more well maybe not I have to cover my butt to). I sure didn't see any there last fall (there this is bashing since I believe they should). Now go to JD and see what they say for a tractor when doing there tractor selector with light hauling and having slopes or hills....guess what it will cost you 5K for a tractor there just so you can go up a hill (now that is bashing JD and giving CC kudos)! Not to mention you won't get as much as the CC will give you (oh more kudos). Plus CC when to bat and took my tractor back, since for 1 they did not tell me what it could do and 2 I believe the transmission is faulty (in my tractor I can't speak for the rest of the world). Now maybe a good 1554 would have worked fine, I don't know, since CC and the dealer recommended the 2554 to replace it with. Hey guess what that is 1K cheaper than the lowest JD tractor that is recommend for my yard (I'm on a role for CC kudos).

I do agree that you probably need to start a new thread if all you want is positive feed back so start it that way and leave out the bashing statements yourself! To me it almost sounds like you work for Cub Cadet and you are trying to discreadet Fordlords and the rest of us bashers out here!

stevebig · Jun 3, 2006

Wow suburbansan you need to mellow out some.

Here is my first post where I first read Fordlords and I think he is doing a fine job with his feedback. Oh by the way my Ford truck had to have the transmission rebuilt at 95K miles, I should probably blame him since he has Ford in his name /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Board/cubcadet/Number/851967/page/0/view/sb/sb/5/fpart/1/vc/1/o/all

Here is some additional food for thought......
The problem I see with these manufactures is that they don't disclose what these tractors can or can't be used for. Plus you can't trust every dealers or a box store to tell you. Further more you can't just assume that every post like the one started above that every tractor has the same problem as mine did. You know every manufacture has problems with their product including car/truck manufactures like my 98 F-150 /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif but you either get it fixed or you buy something new this is called life.

So with that said Yes I do believe that these tractor manufactures need some bashing once in the while to keep them in line with MADE IN THE USA should still mean quality and maybe even some honest up front answers might be nice as well before you buy their product.

I dare you go to CC website and see if you can find anything on what these tractors can or can't haul or go up what kinds of slopes (oh slopes they may say a min. slope for mowing for saftey to cover their butt...these tractors can go up more well maybe not I have to cover my butt to). I sure didn't see any there last fall (there this is bashing since I believe they should). Now go to JD and see what they say for a tractor when doing there tractor selector with light hauling and having slopes or hills....guess what it will cost you 5K for a tractor there just so you can go up a hill (now that is bashing JD and giving CC kudos)! Not to mention you won't get as much as the CC will give you (oh more kudos). Plus CC when to bat and took my tractor back, since for 1 they did not tell me what it could do and 2 I believe the transmission is faulty (in my tractor I can't speak for the rest of the world). Now maybe a good 1554 would have worked fine, I don't know, since CC and the dealer recommended the 2554 to replace it with. Hey guess what that is 1K cheaper than the lowest JD tractor that is recommend for my yard (I'm on a role for CC kudos).

I do agree that you probably need to start a new thread if all you want is positive feed back so start it that way and leave out the bashing statements yourself! To me it almost sounds like you work for Cub Cadet and you are trying to discreadet Fordlords and the rest of us bashers out here!

Fordlords · Jun 4, 2006

I quickly counted the times I used the word, "cheap," or a dirivative of it in those posts and came up with 4, and one of those was referring to Kohler engines and not CC 1000's, and one of the other three to lawn tractor lineups in general.

I will however change my future terminology and use the words, "economy," or "inexpensive," when referring to things I feel are cheap in the future, as I know none of this equipment is exactly cheap pricewise, which is the point I am trying to get at with quality, and Stevebig brings up a very interesting point- and it is about deception.

Now anyone please answer this one for me.. whithout a forum like this, how would anyone, say Joe Average who is shopping for a tractor, know that in the case of Kohler that the Courage is the inexpensive 750 hour engine as opposed to the 2000 hour Command? Things like that and the things Stevebig mentioned are not clearly pointed out to the consumers of this equipment, yet are facts at least I think they would like to know before making a decision on a purchase. Maybe what I posted made some feel bad about their purchases, which I already stated was not my intent, but how might someone researching this kind of equipment know of its true credentials or capabilities without some of us actually sharing on a public forum what we know or understand them to be?

There is a big difference between bashing and opinions. I see a TON of true basing here at TBN, this is where someone states something is a POS without backing up their statement(s) with an ounce of fact or even founded opinions. There is NO circumstance where I did that in the case of the CC 1000's.

Myself along with many others here enjoy volunteering some of our time to help others with specific problems on any of the CC machines we know of or can be of help with. Singling me out here at TBN because I made some regret their purchase is just plain idiotic especially when I see I could back up and defend what I posted, yet the ones singling me out have not taken me up on the offer of my previous post of telling me exactly what I posted that was wrong or untrue or not pointed out as my opinion. Please remember that this is America, and as long as we are not posting libel, we are free to speak as we feel.

-Fordlords-

-Fordlords-

Fordlords · Jun 4, 2006

I quickly counted the times I used the word, "cheap," or a dirivative of it in those posts and came up with 4, and one of those was referring to Kohler engines and not CC 1000's, and one of the other three to lawn tractor lineups in general.

I will however change my future terminology and use the words, "economy," or "inexpensive," when referring to things I feel are cheap in the future, as I know none of this equipment is exactly cheap pricewise, which is the point I am trying to get at with quality, and Stevebig brings up a very interesting point- and it is about deception.

Now anyone please answer this one for me.. whithout a forum like this, how would anyone, say Joe Average who is shopping for a tractor, know that in the case of Kohler that the Courage is the inexpensive 750 hour engine as opposed to the 2000 hour Command? Things like that and the things Stevebig mentioned are not clearly pointed out to the consumers of this equipment, yet are facts at least I think they would like to know before making a decision on a purchase. Maybe what I posted made some feel bad about their purchases, which I already stated was not my intent, but how might someone researching this kind of equipment know of its true credentials or capabilities without some of us actually sharing on a public forum what we know or understand them to be?

There is a big difference between bashing and opinions. I see a TON of true basing here at TBN, this is where someone states something is a POS without backing up their statement(s) with an ounce of fact or even founded opinions. There is NO circumstance where I did that in the case of the CC 1000's.

Myself along with many others here enjoy volunteering some of our time to help others with specific problems on any of the CC machines we know of or can be of help with. Singling me out here at TBN because I made some regret their purchase is just plain idiotic especially when I see I could back up and defend what I posted, yet the ones singling me out have not taken me up on the offer of my previous post of telling me exactly what I posted that was wrong or untrue or not pointed out as my opinion. Please remember that this is America, and as long as we are not posting libel, we are free to speak as we feel.

-Fordlords-

-Fordlords-