Looking for input;Considering upsizing from my JD 1023 after buying mountain property

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tommott77

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Hi all,

First post here after utilizing this website as a resource for several years now. Last year I purchased a JD 1023 for mowing, maintenance, and odd jobs for both my smaller (around 1 acre all lawn) property and several other even smaller properties that I own, maintain, and manage. Was somewhat worried of it being overkill at the time, but since then it has proven itself as an invaluable tool making my yard chores a much more efficient/reliable (ie fun job) while being a great helper/assistance on my constant merry-go-round of renovation work/jobs. It has worked and performed flawlessly and I have had absolutely no regrets with the purchase.

The issue I have have is I recently purchased 11 acres of steep (about 400' worth of elevation change on the property) mountain property that I plan on building a couple cabins on over the next several years across the state from me. The property already had some building sites and a driveway cleared out maybe 10-15 years ago but since then has been neglected and become overgrown. I recently went up there with the 1023 and a flail mower and had an very successful re-clearing effort, cutting back kudzu and other small brush back from the more accessible spots for the most part. Again the 1023 performed well but I was definitely pushing the top-end of capabilities of the 1023; pushing a flail mower rated slightly beyond the PTO HP rating of the 1023, on very steep unforgiving terrain. There's definitely some heavier duty work needing to be done out there; re-clearing and maintaining of long/steep driveways, cutting some mountains paths, digging trench lines/footers, cleaning up banks, ect, ect. I feel like aside from maintaining what it has already cut the 1023 has reached its limits out there.

This all has me contemplating up-sizing to one size fits-all tractor. It looks like they will be some jobs and likely some ongoing maintenance going forward for a somewhat competent backhoe (from what I have read the JD 260 backhoe for the 1023 isn't capable of a whole lot). I'd also love to increase my safety and stability working up there as well and I'm sure bigger tires, longer wheelbase, and a wider track of a somewhat bigger tractor should help just as long as it doesn't come as an expense of a too high of a center gravity. I'd also like to have 20+ PTO Hp to push the flail mower a bit further and likely adding a chipper, sprayer, ect down the road. All the while the daily/weekly chores back home aren't going anywhere where lightness and agility are most paramount.

Obviously there's going to be some concessions/comprises given one way or the other way here. From pouring over specs of all sorts of different tractors it appears that a nimble, but powerful and capable CUT may be my best bet. The best thing I can find to foot the bill, on paper at least, seemed to be a Kubota B3350. Went to the local dealer but they only had a 2601 on the lot, which did seem like it would still be somewhat manageable on some for my smaller tasks but it appears that the B3350 (with a much more competent backhoe) is another step larger. More importantly I found out that the B3350s have a DPF and have had all sorts of issues dating back several years.

Anybody have any other suggestions or input on what I should be looking for here given my parameters? Yes, some work can and already has been planned to be contracted out at the mountain property. I have considered buying a large machine for some of the jobs up there, but I'd have no long term storage solution for any larger piece of equipment and it would have to be sold after the bigger jobs were completed, again putting me be back to more or less where I started for in terms of dealing with ongoing maintenance and future jobs I come up with for up there. Any real world experience with some tractors that would fit the bill would be greatly appreciated, especially when it comes to both agility and stability wise while working on sloping on terrain.
 
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I'd say you are looking at the right size tractor. I too looked at the B3350 when it was first introduced a couple years ago. I ended up purchasing a used 2006 B3030 with a BH75 hoe with around 260 hours. Saved a ton of money and don't have to deal with the Tier 4 emissions. You might want to look around and see what's available in your area. Problem is it's really hit or miss finding a good used tractor. I just happened to see the ad 4 hours after it was posted...I got lucky!
 
   / Looking for input;Considering upsizing from my JD 1023 after buying mountain property
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I'd say you are looking at the right size tractor. I too looked at the B3350 when it was first introduced a couple years ago. I ended up purchasing a used 2006 B3030 with a BH75 hoe with around 260 hours. Saved a ton of money and don't have to deal with the Tier 4 emissions. You might want to look around and see what's available in your area. Problem is it's really hit or miss finding a good used tractor. I just happened to see the ad 4 hours after it was posted...I got lucky!

Thanks, hadn't really thought much about buying used. Had been planning on getting the 0% and warranty on a bigger purchase like that while not losing the interest I'd end up paying on my own money. Well that was the line of reasoning with the 1023 and was using that same logic when going to the Kubota dealer yesterday. Took a quick look around just Craigslist and found a couple B3200s in the vicinity, which appears to be the forerunner to the 3350. Looks slightly smaller and perhaps appears to have the same turbo 4 cylinder as 3350, but perhaps without the DPF...all good things. One of them only has 49 hours.

I guess if a used one of these proved reliable enough I'd definitely come out ahead with the lower buy-in point vs the expense of using my own money....while perhaps ending up with a better tractor in the process. I'll have to see if I can talk myself into it and perhaps go check one out, It'd least give me a chance to see how big they feel.

Ever had much use working on slopes and uneven terrain with the B3030? If so I'm curious how it did.
 
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I also have steep property. I was considering the 3350 but it's narrow and tall (and the dealers discouraged me from getting one). I got Branson's smaller IND-10 wheels for my 3725 and had spacers and rimguard added to the rears, all to make it more stable on slopes. If you want to stick with Kubota the L3301 is about the same price and physically larger than the 3350, with more loader and 3pt capacity. DPF isn't bad; it's just some implementations like the 3350 that have or had reliability problems. But if you don't need the HP to run mowers or chippers the 2501 is another option.

Even with a 0% loan it's still all your own money.
 
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Agree with ericm979 on the 3350. If you price a 3350 with loader on the Kubota website, it is around 24000. If you price a L3560 with loader it is around 29000. The L3560 weighs in at 3500 lbs vs the 3350 weight of 1900 lbs. You can get a whole lot more tractor for another 5000 grand. If you are planning on keeping your next tractor for a long time I think it would be worth the extra money to get a premium tractor (higher 3 pt lifting capacity, deluxe 3 pt assembly, more PTO hp). When I bought my rotary cutter a month ago I test drove a L3560 the dealer had just for fun and I was impressed with the machine. I also test drove a L3901 they had. It was not a bad tractor but I liked the feel and drive of the L3560 better (just my opinion). I think with any tractor you decide to go with in the compact size you are going to have to be very careful with 400 ft of elevation on 11 acres. That is some serious steep terrain.
 
   / Looking for input;Considering upsizing from my JD 1023 after buying mountain property
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Agree with ericm979 on the 3350. If you price a 3350 with loader on the Kubota website, it is around 24000. If you price a L3560 with loader it is around 29000. The L3560 weighs in at 3500 lbs vs the 3350 weight of 1900 lbs. You can get a whole lot more tractor for another 5000 grand. If you are planning on keeping your next tractor for a long time I think it would be worth the extra money to get a premium tractor (higher 3 pt lifting capacity, deluxe 3 pt assembly, more PTO hp). When I bought my rotary cutter a month ago I test drove a L3560 the dealer had just for fun and I was impressed with the machine. I also test drove a L3901 they had. It was not a bad tractor but I liked the feel and drive of the L3560 better (just my opinion). I think with any tractor you decide to go with in the compact size you are going to have to be very careful with 400 ft of elevation on 11 acres. That is some serious steep terrain.

That, or even a JD 3 series, would likely be the perfect tractor for the mountain work. Unfortunately 3500lbs is going to be way too big and impractical for handling the local chores including mowing an often water soaked lawn and maneuvering around and getting in the tight spots of the smaller properties, which it will typically handling on a day in/day out basis. The goal with the mountain property is move up there someday though. At that point something along those lines would be perfect going forward.
 
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My 3725 is about the same size as a Kubota 3560. It does all right in tight spots. Right now I mow a number of small areas. There's a lot of backing and turning to mow some of them but it's still easier and faster with a 5' rotary on this tractor vs a 42" rotary on the Kubota B7100 I had. I can get the tractor with chipper into the areas I need to chip except the leach field where I can't operate the tractor anyhow because it'll damage the pipes.

This tractor is too heavy for lawn mowing, especially in the spring when the ground is wet. I have a lawn tractor for that.
 

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