Looking for advice on a chainsaw

/ Looking for advice on a chainsaw #21  
N80 said:
Someone mentioned flooding. My Dad's Stihl floods fairly often if it doesn't fire up at the start. (But Dad may be doing something wrong).

Once you learn proper way to start a Stihl - No Problem Man :)

I used to have the same problem until I was shown the correct procedure. Lock the bar/chain then put the lever all the way on choke with throttle trigger locked on - pull starter and it will fire and stop. Kick the lever off of choke and DO NOT work the throttle - pull starter once or twice more and it will fire right up. Blip the throttle lock off, unlock the bar, and you are ready to go. I never pump the throttle when trying to start any Stihl. This procedure works on all Stihl equipment whether it is a weed eater, blower, edger, or saw.

I spent so much time when I was young trying to keep my Dad's old Homelite running that I usually had more down time than work time. Haven't looked at one since:D Glad your results with one were better
 
/ Looking for advice on a chainsaw
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#22  
N80 said:
Farmwithjunk, I guess sometimes farming with junk isn't all its cracked up to be.;)

I do have to wonder why my Homelite 240 has been such a good saw? Maybe 15 years ago it wasn't a cheap junker? I have no idea. But maybe it was a decent saw in its day. I always thought Homelite was junk. May be junk now.

Someone mentioned flooding. My Dad's Stihl floods fairly often if it doesn't fire up at the start. (But Dad may be doing something wrong).

My Homelite, on the other hand, starts within a pull or two even on a cold morning. Pull a couple of times with the choke on. Once it sputters, turn choke off. Next pull and its running for the rest of the day. Once its warm, takes only one pull, no choke to start up.


I had a Homelite 360 for a while it was a great old saw, not the same as what they build today. I have now ruled out Husky due $$$ to get a similar sized machine to the Stihl MS310.
 
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#23  
I pulled the trigger tonight. Stihl MS310(including manual and wrench/screwdriver), 18" bar, two extra chains, some premeasured 2 cycle oil, jug of bar oil, and tax for $456.75. Got to use it breifly tonight. Love the saw.
 
/ Looking for advice on a chainsaw #24  
Congratulations! :D

If I ever kill my 270 I'll probably replace it with 2 saws - one as little bigger for firewood work & one a little smaller for trimming.

When you stop & think about it, you'll spend more on "tooling" than you did for the saw. I'm sure I've spent more on chains (6), sharpening, bars (2) and gas than I did on the saw...
 
/ Looking for advice on a chainsaw #25  
shaley said:
if you feel comfortable running a full chisel chain the saw will cut a lot more aggressively.

ant that the truth.... i always wondered why my old school chain and 20" bar always seemed to cut SO much better than a newer ones.

got to looking at the teeth and they and its an oldschool full chisel design. :cool:
 
/ Looking for advice on a chainsaw #26  
Can someone explain what full chisel is and what the newer ones are?
 
/ Looking for advice on a chainsaw #27  
N80 said:
Can someone explain what full chisel is and what the newer ones are?

Oregon® Saw Chain has some pix of the various types. I think full chisel has to do with the cut of the tooth.

Basically the low kickback version has an extra part (not sure what they call it) in between the teeth of the chain that prevents the chain from digging in as it goes around the sprocket, reducing the chance of kickback.

The design of the anti kickback chain limits the amount of wood each tooth can cut per revolution. Thats why the "pro" chains are faster than the anti-kickback.

Personally I use the anti kickback chain on my Stihl 270. I've got plenty of hours on it & am comfortable using it, but feel the extra protection is worth the slower cut. It isn't a particularly powerfull saw, so I don't know how much speed I'd even gain going to the "pro" chain.
 
/ Looking for advice on a chainsaw #28  
Hey George. Here's my brief summary of full chisel, semi-chisel, and safety chain.

Full chisel refers to chain with a tooth that is square on the outside corner of the cutting edge. In addition to the square corner, it also has a more aggressive angle on the top face. It cuts the best, but is least forgiving of hitting dirt or abrasive debris. If the very corner of the cutting edge gets dull, it's time to resharpen.

Semi-chisel has a tooth that is rounded on the outside corner. It doesn't cut as well as full chisel but will continue cutting longer in spite of hitting some dirt.

Safety chain comes in a number of different configurations, but all versions have in common a bumpered drive link or tie link. As Hazmat said, the purpose is to reduce the bite of each tooth in order to reduce kickback.

Personally, I use full chisel on my 036 Stihl and what might be called "chamfered chisel" on my little 021 Stihl. Chamfered chisel is similar to full chisel, differing by having a slight chamfer cut on the outside corner.

I personally do not like safety chain. I was ready to sell or give away my 021 until I discovered a full chisel-like, non-safety chain for it. The difference is night and day. My 021 is a nice cutting modest hp chainsaw now.

I do understand the inherent dangers of kickback and feel everyone who uses a chainsaw should experience controlled kickback to instill a sense of the power of this force to do damage. Nevertheless, safety chain is designed, imho, to save us from ourselves and I think often lulls one into a false sense of security that is by and large unfounded.

My last comment has to do with sharpening. It is nearly the same to sharpen any saw chain, only the angles and precision required vary. What is not the same is sharpening the raker/bumper links. Even full chisel chain has a protrusion in front of the tooth called a raker. This raker must be filed down as the tooth is resharpened and sits lower on the chain. This is easy to do with full chisel or semi-chisel with a raker guage. It is much harder, imho, to maintain the proper level on bumper links of safety chain. And the thing is, if you don't file down the bumper links, the chain will cut less and less well each sharpening. If you over file the bumper links, you no longer have safety chain, because the relative relation of the tooth to the bumper link is no longer the same.

End of my contribution. Hope this helps.

Mike
 
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hazmat isn't a particularly powerfull saw said:
You would definitely notice the difference. On the last two saws I purchased I had the dealer swap the chains before I even took them home -
 
/ Looking for advice on a chainsaw #31  
Buy a Stihl 361 and be done with it. I made the mistake of buying a Farmboss and it ran out of nut. So I sold it and spent the money on a ms361. Twice the price, but also twice the saw. I cut 8 to 10 chord a year, plus I take care of 30 acres of woods.
 
/ Looking for advice on a chainsaw #32  
Stihl MS361 is a powerful saw. If you want to have only one saw, MS361 would be on the top of the list.
 
/ Looking for advice on a chainsaw #33  
Michael_E_Tx said:
Hey George. Here's my brief summary of full chisel, semi-chisel, and safety chain.Mike

Question for Mike or anyone else that knows...

Is one style of chain EASIER for a home owner to sharpen? I read where the full chisel is the easiest to dull in dirt, might that ALSO make it the easiet to sharpen? (I'm hoping you say yes)

As for the original poster.... is hiring some beavers an option? :D
 
/ Looking for advice on a chainsaw #34  
Oh, I might add...

I've got a Stihl 044. Was doing some stuff & set it down. Later on, when backing up in my full sized industrial backhoe (JCB) I felt something funny...as though I'd run over...

Yikesssssssssssssssss :eek:


Backed over with the rear tires, my 044 and crushed it. Bent the bar in near 90 degree fold.

New bar, new pull assembly and saw is back to work. Tough booger
 
/ Looking for advice on a chainsaw #35  
Richard said:
Is one style of chain EASIER for a home owner to sharpen? I read where the full chisel is the easiest to dull in dirt, might that ALSO make it the easiet to sharpen? (I'm hoping you say yes)

Hey Richard. Man, sort of a can of worms to this question. But I'll tell you how I view the answer. In my opinion, full chisel is easy to sharpen. Let me qualify that by adding, I have absolutely no experience with bench mount grinders.

I use two different 12v hand held grinders. One is a Grandberg: Granberg 12 Volt Grinder from Baileys-online.com
The other is made by EZE Lap Diamond: EZE-LAP Diamond Products - Chainsaw Sharpeners

The only thing different about sharpening full chisel than semi-chisel or any safety chain, is that the sharpener must be tilted down 5 or 10 degrees (away from the corner), I don't remember which, but it's defined in the info that comes with the chain. This is pretty easy to get used to, especially if you start with fresh chain that has not been sharpened before. This is because you can visually see if you are duplicating the original edges.

Another advantage to starting with a newish chain is that the teeth are all the same length, and it's pretty easy to sharpen each tooth about the same amount so that they remain about the same size. By doing this, I've had no problem keeping my teeth uniform. In my opinion, it's false economy to practice on old nasty chain.

As I look at my various chains, it looks like I currently have some Stihl and some Oregon, both of which have index marks on the top of the tooth for maintaining a consistent proper angle on the front of the tooth. I think most brands have this feature these days.

My eyesight ain't what it used to be, so I usually sharpen my chains on the saw, on the dining table :eek: , looking through a magnifier (the type that is on a long articulated arm, with a round fluorescent bulb around it). As a power source, I use a motorcycle battery and a trickle charger. If I should happen to need to sharpen in the field, I carry the motorcycle battery (charged, of course) and extra chains and supplies in a five gal. bucket.

My favorite sharpener is the one from EZE Lap. It is far from industrial, but I haven't broken it or used it up yet in four years of use. Two things I like about it are the size and the switch. It is small and fits easily in the hand. The switch is on the butt end and is momentary on; it's operated by your pinky.

The Grandberg is much sturdier and has a fairly longstanding good reputation as a good field grinder. I find it a little more clumsy and the stones for it are more coarse than the industrial diamond surface of the EZE Lap "diamond files", as they call them.

Part of the can o' worms I referred to above is about the efficacy of using "diamond files". I've seen plenty of heated debate about this topic on several forums. There are several brands out there, or so I've heard, but EZE Lap is the only one I've found and used. Personally, I think they give a superior edge, and have the advantage of not changing in diameter through the useful life of the file. The aluminum oxide stones such as are commonly used on the Granberg gradually wear down in diameter as you use them, so if you should decide to go this route, do yourself a favor and buy a bunch of stones, and change out when you can see the diameter change.

While I find the diamond sharpeners to give a superior edge, I use aluminum oxide if I've really messed up a chain, usually by hitting dirt hard, or running into small stones on stumps. I learned by personal experience that attempting to use a diamond sharpener to clean up a badly dull chain wears the diamond sharpener out prematurely.

I hope you find this info useful. It might be more info than you really wanted, but I was so happy to discover that sharpening saw chain can be relatively pain free and pretty easy, that I like to share. Don't forget to flip that new bar every other sharpening or so and you'll get a much longer life and straighter cutting for the life of the bar. :) An 044 is a fine saw.

Mike
 

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