Looking at Bad Boy Tractors, thoughts?

[Ledgemere Farm]

I used to own a Mitsubishi-made Cub Cadet and it was a good, strong tractor. My brother had a nice Bolens compact tractor. theyre both orphans now and parts are difficult to acquire. Just food for thought.

 

[hornett22]

I don't think Bad Boy will be in the tractor business long. All the dealers I've seen are trailer and she'd dealers. I don't see a building for a service department.

I'd look at the Mahindra 1626 if you want a backhoe.

 

[Ledgemere Farm]

The Mahindra 1626 is a beast. Everyone I know who has that model loves it

 

[rScotty]

WoW! Just saw & read this whole thread that devolved into Dealer bashing.

There would appear to be a general, complete lack of understanding of the Dealer Business Model, particularly in understanding profitability and business impact from Unit Sales, Implement/Accessory Sales, Parts, and Services Delivery.

Each of these are completely different with different goals, rates, margins and management. Sales, Parts and Service have to each work well.

Nobody wants to say it, so I will.

Dealers LOSE money on warranty work. The OEM warranty service rate is always lower than the Dealer hourly cost.

So the Dealer gets paid below cost by the OEM, uses up perishable service tech hours, and loses the profit opportunity on those hours.

On top of this, the Dealer has to pay labor to submit warranty claims and administer all the disputes with the OEM...... more unreimbursed labor.

The Dealer exists to
1. Make a Profit.
2. Sell Units, Implements & Accessories - Build Machine Population
3. Service Units
4. Sell Parts

If #1 Goal doesn't happen. The Dealership will no longer exist.

Most Dealers can't get enough units from their OEMs.

Dealer Profits are tied to Machine Population in their market area ( I did not say contract AOR), Parts Sales & Services Delivery. In some cases, project teams are bringing machines into the dealer's market area, requiring local parts & services.

Sales, Parts & Service to Commercial Customers is different.

When I started our repair shop years ago, one of the things we did was to contract to do the more complicated and time consuming warranty work for local dealers.

Several posters above - RickB & artf - poiont out that dealers often can't afford to do their own warranty work. That's true. They do some, but they become dealers because they are good at dealing with people, not machinery. That goes for the mechanics they hire too. Also true that the warranty rate most manufacturers will pay is less than an established shop charges. But as a startup general mechanical repair shop, we needed to get repair work in the door. My guys are mechanics, not salesmen. When I could negotiate 75% of the factory flat rate for a standard warranty repair everybody was happy.

We got work with a guaranteed pay, and often on near new equipment with new warranty parts.
The dealer got out from under a bad situation. The customer got better work than he would have otherwise.
Nothing wrong with any of that.
rScotty

 

[m1garand762]

I think the difference is Bad Boy is an established company that has a main focus on equipment. Not a general type store. The other thing is the parts will be completely interchangeable with Branson.

I think the brand recognition of Bad Boy will actually make them a better seller than Branson one day. While I understand the concerns, I would not be afraid of dealing with Bad Boy.

It could be brand recognition that destroys them too. When our local tsc store sold bad boy zero turns they had to build a fence to store the 50 or 60 machines that were returned and needed sent back because the front spindles broke off or transmissions failed. I think they were storing for multiple locations but it was still bad advertising to see all the junk equipment that was still relatively new

 

[Williy]

Why do you think they named it

BAD BOY ?????

WILLY

 

[sd455dan]

Why do you think they named it

BAD BOY ?????

WILLY

WELL>>>From their site:


The name came early when a test driver jumped off and exclaimed, ‘That’s a real Bad Boy!’ Because we packed our mower with power strength and speed, ‘Mow with an Attitude’ became our mission and marketing slogan.

We knew we were on to something because competitors would freely offer the advice that we couldn’t keep ‘over-building them’ like that and sell them ‘for that low of a price.’ Of course, we just didn’t think there was anything wrong with building a mower that outlasted everything else out there and our customers sure didn’t seem to mind saving a bit of money along the way.
It'd be tough to separate the strength of our people from the strength of our mowers. Because as tough as our mowers are, they're no match for the people that design, build, bring to market and sell them as a part of the Bad Boy Mower family. We call it our strength from within, and it's why you can call a Bad Boy the strongest, most powerful mower - with the cleanest cut on the planet.

Mmm something very similar about Branson/Kukje way of building machines

 

[bobmisi]

When I bought my Branson 15 years ago everyone on this site said we were fools for buying an off brand that would soon be out of business and leave us high and dry. I have never had one problem with my Branson and my dealer is still here and parts are easy to come by. Now I am thinking of getting a new cab tractor and it will be another Branson for sure. At LEAST 10 thousand dollars less than the NAME BRAND tractors that are or have been made by Kukje or now TYM. Name a tractor under a hundred horsepower made in the USA. Those green tractors have been made by Kukje for years along with other colors. Just sayin........................

 

[jyoutz]

When I bought my Branson 15 years ago everyone on this site said we were fools for buying an off brand that would soon be out of business and leave us high and dry. I have never had one problem with my Branson and my dealer is still here and parts are easy to come by. Now I am thinking of getting a new cab tractor and it will be another Branson for sure. At LEAST 10 thousand dollars less than the NAME BRAND tractors that are or have been made by Kukje or now TYM. Name a tractor under a hundred horsepower made in the USA. Those green tractors have been made by Kukje for years along with other colors. Just sayin........................

The green tractors have been made by Yanmar, not Kukje.

 

[sd455dan]

The green tractors have been made by Yanmar, not Kukje.

NON US distribution JD large tractors in a few countries IIANM

something like 30 John Deere models according to fandom