Looking at a 4300

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Hey Guys,
I'm looking at a 1999 John Deere 4300 and I'm new to tractors so I figured it would be good to get your opinion. It has 755 hours, seems to be in good shape through the pictures the owner sent me. It's got R1 tires, sync reverser, JD48 backhoe, and a 430 FEL. Whats something like that worth? Anything I should be looking for when I go see it in person?
 
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Just looking at the appearance of it overall will give you a good idea how it was taken care of.
If it looks nice and not all beat up, go deeper and look at the oil and air filter.
See if it smokes when it's started, and if it does, does it clear up quickly and run smooth.
 
/ Looking at a 4300 #3  
Use TractorHouse and MachineFinder for used values.

The 48 BH and the 430 loader where the bigger of the two options for that machine so that is a plus. You can get the S/N and take it to any JD dealer to get a history on it including warranty and service work that was performed at any dealer.
 
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I came close to buying a JD4300. But, alas, the seat was torn up, the PLASTIC hood was busted all to poop, the gas filler door (part of the hood) was missing. The hyd lines were rusted badly from sitting out in the weather all the time, the tires were mostly worn out but the clincher...that stopped me cold, was that the stabilizer bar on the left lift arm had broken off the "dog ear" where it attaches to the left transaxle housing. It is one piece cast iron and MUST NOT be welded. A braze would never be strong enough. A new housing was about $1400 and the dealer wanted $1200 in labor. The seller said no and I said no. I looked around and found a "like new" Kubota. Good Luck.;)
 
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The 4300 Deere is a great tractor. I've kept mine since new in '98.

I treat it right, and it treats me very good in return. No backhoe. I've a few cracks in the seat from my fat behind I suppose for the 700 hours I've been running it year around. No complaints at all from its performance and stamina. But like anything, it could be torn up and abused.

Follow kennyd's advice and do the Deere check.

I figure mine would be worth $11K, give or take with 430 FEL. Have been offered that, but won't sell it 'cause I think it is better than a newer one. Came close to trading up to a 3720, but I like the hood combination with the side panels much better than the one-piece hood on the newer ones. Also like the cleaner lines and style better.
 
/ Looking at a 4300 #6  
I came close to buying a JD4300. But, alas, the seat was torn up, the PLASTIC hood was busted all to poop, the gas filler door (part of the hood) was missing. The hyd lines were rusted badly from sitting out in the weather all the time, the tires were mostly worn out but the clincher...that stopped me cold, was that the stabilizer bar on the left lift arm had broken off the "dog ear" where it attaches to the left transaxle housing. It is one piece cast iron and MUST NOT be welded. A braze would never be strong enough. A new housing was about $1400 and the dealer wanted $1200 in labor. The seller said no and I said no. I looked around and found a "like new" Kubota. Good Luck.;)

Yup, sounds like the experience we had with a 4400, which my father recently got rid of.

They bought it new in '98, had about 1700hrs on it when they got rid of it, wasn't abused and had impeccable maintenance.

In that time heres what has failed:

-3 different front axle seals
-one rear axle seal and bearing
-two rear axle housing (two different occasions where the 3pt mounting bosses sheared off, it's actually cast aluminium)
-hood, grille, cowling all became brittle and broke
-hydraulic oil cooler core broke, had to replace entire unit
-cruise control mechanism would no longer hold position
-last straw was when the PTO clutch was starting to go south, making clicking/grinding when running, would start by itself sometimes.

Basically the 4x00 series were the first compact tractors Deere made in the US and they didn't have nearly enough R&D put into them before the were put into production. I believe the have worked out most of the bugs on the 4x10 and later series, but some of the core design flaws are still there. I would stay away from them completely, the 4x00 were some of the worst tractors Deere has ever made.
 
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I have a 2001 JD 4200 and it's done all I've asked from it and more. I have just over 600-hours on mine.

The only major problem I had fixed under warranty was the hydraulic oil cooler. Early 4x00's series tractors had a nasty problem of bad batteries leaking acid on the lines causing the cooler to fail.

The only other major expense has been a new alternator and battery this month; but I attribute their failure to a lightning strike nearby in August. I'm still finding electrical/electronic crap fried by that strike; but that's another story.

The aluminum axle housings are a disappointing feature; but as long as you don't abuse the tractor, you should have no problem with them.

Personally I think these are good tractors, and if you want to see a rental abused tractor restored to like new; look for dfkrug's detailed thread on rebuilding a 4300.

Any other major expenses have been my customizing to it.
 
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I have seen them sell from around 15 to 17 grand but those were hydros. yes the 4000s have isues how ever I have seen them with thousands of hours on them and still working fine. Alot has to do with the operator. Good luck.
 
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Many of the tractors in that series had bad problems with scuffing the turf with the front tires. It was really noticeable if the tractor was used for mowing. Didn't matter if MFWD engaged or not. Bad design in the geometry of the axle. JD replaced many of the axles for free but only if owner complained.
 
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Many of the tractors in that series had bad problems with scuffing the turf with the front tires. It was really noticeable if the tractor was used for mowing. Didn't matter if MFWD engaged or not. Bad design in the geometry of the axle. JD replaced many of the axles for free but only if owner complained.

IIRC, that was only in the 1998 and 1999 models and only an issue while using MFWD.
I've read the original axle was more robust for loader work. Just got to figure out where I read that so I can link it here.

As far as the aluminum castings...that would be a good question for dfkrug as he rebuilds old 4300 machines (the "before" pictures show some pretty ragged out tractors). Wonder if he's seen any broken castings in the machines he restores...?
I'm pretty new to the aluminum castings (newly purchased 4400), but one thing I have noticed. You really want to use those sliding anti-sway links to distribute the load of the implement. They are a bit of a PITA to use though (IMHO).

I do know three guys with 4200's or 4300's. The 4200 belongs to Arrabil, the 4300's belong to friends I've known for years (in fact, I recommended the 4300/4310 tractor to them). Neither of the 4300's have had any problems whatsoever. Both tractors are ran pretty hard. One is well maintained, the other has so-so maintenance.
 
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I started with a 4300 sync-reverser. Good tractor. The issues I had: 3pt drop-recover. Fixed under warranty; Hyd sump intake screen got into a gear some how. Fixed under warranty.

While I used it fairly hard, I also realized it was not a construction tractor nor a bull dozer. Seeing some of the damage others complain about, I think they don't understand limitations of equipment. Occasional excursions to the limits should survive. But running it at the limits, with excursions over will tear anything up. That was one reason I upgraded to the 4520. Working the new place, I found myself at the edge all the time. With the 4520 there have been few times I think I'm even working it hard.

I would look at the BH 3pt (esp top link) and FEL mounts for damage.
 
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Hey Guys,
Thanks for all your feed back. I went to see it the other day. Looked pretty good, started and ran nicely. Had some rust on a few of the exposed, unpainted metal pieces. There was also a little bit of a wobble in the front end when I took it for a ride down the road, is that normal? The tires in the front were a bit low, could that be the problem? Other than that my only other concern is with the tires. It has R1 tires and I plan to use it around my yard and on my lawn. Are those tires going to damage my lawn badly? How easy are they to switch out from R4s or turfs?
 
/ Looking at a 4300 #14  
Hey Guys,
Thanks for all your feed back. I went to see it the other day. Looked pretty good, started and ran nicely. Had some rust on a few of the exposed, unpainted metal pieces. There was also a little bit of a wobble in the front end when I took it for a ride down the road, is that normal? The tires in the front were a bit low, could that be the problem? Other than that my only other concern is with the tires. It has R1 tires and I plan to use it around my yard and on my lawn. Are those tires going to damage my lawn badly? How easy are they to switch out from R4s or turfs?

It's easy...all you need is $$$$$$$$$$!

Sure do! The R4 tires will not fit on the R1 rims...so you need new rims also. R1's will tear up the lawn pretty good-especially if wet. The wobble may have been just the tires since R1's ride pretty rough on pavement.
 
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Changing out tires and rims gets pricey on these tractors. I have mowed with subCUTs and r1 tires. However, a 4300 is a bit on the heavy side for mowing with r1 tires, if you still want a really nice looking yard. It is the turning that will cause the issues.
 
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I probably wont be using it for much mowing, probably mostly loader work. Other than the tires do you think shes a good buy, or should I wait for something else to come along?
 
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Only you can decide if the tractor is a good buy. I have owned a 4300 for 10 years and have been very happy with it. Don't have a backhoe (wish I did) but my 430 loader has moved many tons of snow, dirt, and gravel without a hiccup.
 
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When I bought my 790....it came with an extra set of FRONT wheels and tires in turf tread. They were properly sized to the same outside diameter as the R1 tires on the tractor (.....so don't get all crazy with mixed tire size warnings....:D).

I never used the turf fronts, but the guy before me evidently used them in his yard and I have read a few posts about other guys using turf fronts. They went along with my recent sale of the 790....so I cannot comment further on their use.

This could be an option for you when operating on your lawn....and not breaking the bank on buying the rears too....as they are the more expensive part. Also, you would not HAVE to use 4WD with the front turfs on. They change-over pretty quickly. It may be an option for you if you like the other aspects of the tractor.

(Personally?....there is too many tractors out there...I'd wait and find the one I with ALL the right stuff for my purposes. :thumbsup:)
 
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I have owned a 4300 since 2000. It has 400 plus hours and I have been very happy with its performance. I do not have a BH and really would not like to have one because of all the added stress it might cause to the frame. I would buy another one tomorrow.
 

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