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Frank_Mulligan

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My wife and I love log homes. We wanted to have one built 3 years ago, but it was abit more expensive than a conventional home and was not in the budget. There are several in my area that I always admire. Whenever I mention log homes to people they almost always frown down on them. Does anyone here live in a log home? Pictures?
 
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Like you, I love the look of a log home. I have never spoken directly with anyone who actually had one, but what little research I have done has turned up far more negative comments than positive ones. Seems as though you need to be really careful of who you deal with.
 
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Frank,

Like you and your wife I love log homes. At least I love the look and feel of them....I've never lived in one. I had a good friend that built one several years ago and I did most of the electrical work, which is a challenge in itself (mostly solid walls).

He later sold the house and moved away so I don't know how everything held up long term but he lived there for 8-9 years and had no major problems.

Another guy I work with bought one already built and had quite a few problems with walls moving, ceilings sagging, doors dragging etc.

Before I bought one I would research them well and buy from someone who has been in business a long time with a proven track record.

It seems that the engineering is super critical in log construction because of the natural shrinking process and the expansion and contraction of the masses of wood.

TBone
 
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Brother and sister in law have a home made of two- 100+ year old log homes that were torn down marked and moved to the present location and put back together. These are the square logs. Huge. Makes you have a lot of respect for how they built them years ago with no cranes or power equipment. The beams inside are round, partly hewn and most still have the bark on them...

Very low ceilings on one part of the home and the other part was to be cathedral but ended up with a loft used as a bedroom.

It is nice, rustic and definately a specialty type of housing.

You have to be able to find the right person if you were ever to sell a place like this but I would love to own it as my home.

But then, I like rustic........ Tom
 
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My wife and I lived in a log home for about 4 years. They have their pros and cons. The pros include being easy to heat and cool, very quiet (i.e.-no outside noise), and they are beautiful. The cons include the almost constant maintenance and the bugs. There always seemed to be something that needed to be stained. The bugs are what led to us selling the place. We spent a lot of money on exterminators to keep the carpenter bees, carpenter ants, and wood borers out of the house. However, it was a great place to live and my wife reminds me how much she liked that house every chance she gets.
Mike
 
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Frank:
WE built and lived in a log house for 25 years. There are many pro's,ambience being the greatest. Many cons, everything always moves, lots of leaks difficult to install regular interior walls, doors and windows.
Lots of fond memories.
Would I do it again? NO-NO-NO
Egon
 
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My wife and I live in one now-would I do it again-no. I do like the look of it and it is quiet, but like the others there is more work to one than I prefer. Although when I side the garage I'm building it will have wood shake siding on it because I do love the look of wood
 
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Frank,

I looked into log homes a year or so ago. I searched either
yahoo or google for hits on log homes. I think I spent 30
minutes, an hour tops, and found far to many horror stories.
We love the looks of the homes but there sure seem to
be many negatives with log homes.

On my wife's side of the family, two brothers built log homes.
One was a disaster and the other was just fine. The disaster
was caused by cheap logs and a cheap brother. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

We found a kit builder last summer who makes solar log homes.
We say him on a HGTV on one of the home shows and we
just saw a new story about his kits a week or so ago. He
makes a nice but expensive kit to buy and build. We met him
and one of his builders at a house that was being built. We
liked the home but it had some issues. Besides the price
the main good/bad point was that he was using CCA logs to
build the homes. Now this is great since you don't have to
worry about rot or bugs but I was concerned about resale as
well as the legal/medical issue if CCA was banned at some
point. Well, CCA is going to be banned in a few years. Glad
I don't have a home built with this stuff. I think CCA is pretty
harmless from what I have read but I would not want to have
to sell a log home built out of the stuff....

On the other hand his house will be there in 300 years.

There is a new treatment to replace CCA, I think it is based
on Borate but it will cost more money...

The day we looked at the log home that was being built we
went to a log home show room. The logs where full of checks
and knots. Lots of knots. Knots can leak if water hits 'em.
The house had a real nice wrap around porch and big roof
eaves.....

The house was built out of white pine which has to be
shipped in. Lots of Southern Yellow Pine that they could
have used that could have been cut locally and would have
had no knots if the good part of the tree was used...

I was not feeling warm and fuzzy about log homes.....

My two cents...
Dan McCarty
 
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My next door neighbor built a log home-- constant maintenance! Stain is already fading after just 1 1/2 years, spraying for bugs, adjusting posts, refitting doors and windows that jam due to settling, plugging drafts. They did a show on the series "Hometime" a while back where they visited 2 of the log homes they had built for the series. One must have been a million dollar lodge type home. They toured the home with a log home peservationist. He pointed out serious rot in a couple spots after only 6 years. They rotten logs had to be cut out of the wall (after jacking and bracing the wall) and replaced. Can you imagine what that contractors bill was?? If you want the look, they make siding that looks like round logs.
 
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[censored]!!!

I never expected all the negative comments about log homes! I guess, I to was impressed with their looks, and didn't think there was much to maintenance. We looked at one that we really liked (we even made an offer, which was not as high as others were offering). It had a wraparound porch, a beautiful 'great room' when you first walked in, and was situated atop a hill. The bad points (as I realize now): almost no closet space, small kitchen, no garage, small bathrooms, and a BAD SEPTIC. It also had some wtermarks on the inside top 1-2 rows of logs. I asked the seller on 2 different occasions about it and he gave me 2 different stories. (Gives you that nice warm feeling when that happens!).
 
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When I wasn younger and single, I built about a 3600 sq ft log home in the mid 80's. The house was great, maintenance was not all that much more than any other house. The "save thousands of dollars and do it yourself" was the biggest misconception. That and the fact that I was my own general contractor so you had to hump to get the bank payouts. Every aspect was me. I started subterranean, excavating the foundation with a JD55 crawler, did the footers and worked my way up a steep sided gambrel roof for the shingles. Never more than four friends at any one time onsite helping. Once weather tight, then me and my dad on the inside. Plumbing, wiring, kitchen cabinets, tile flooring and countertops, stone work around the wood burner, trim, 7,500 sq ft of t&g cedar on the inside cathedral ceiling, bathrooms. Every free minute was spent working on it. Holidays, vacations, evenings until 2am.. head to a place I rented, sleep, head to work, then back to the loghome site...it burned me out. I sold it a few years later when my daughter was born to get her into more of a neighborhood with friends and places to ride a bike. Would I do it again? Yep. Originally I only sub'ed the block work on the foundation and the carpet installation, this time I would subcontract alot more and plan, plan, plan...get some more ideas, and then plan somemore. There was one other major drawback. When it was finished and snow was falling outside, friends would stop over, they would sit in front of the fire, the warm golden glow off the log walls and get so relaxed...they wouldn't leave.
 
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Frank,

Don't let all of the bad comments outway the good. I looked
into log homes and just decided that there seemed to be
a higher level of risk of having problems with this type of
home compared to a conventional one. I'm sure there are
good log home builders, I know of one, but there are also
some real thiefs out there as well. But they exist with
conventional builders as well.

Do a search on yahoo or google and start reading. And
start asking questions to the suppliers. There are some web
sites that are for log home owners and they have some
interesting discussions.

In the end we decided that log homes just where not for us.
Just depends on one's requirements.

Later,
Dan
 
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We have a log home near Pittsburgh, PA. Bought it in 1998, from a young couple who started construction in 1996, but were having financial troubles. We continue to finish it, we love it, and yes, there are pros and cons.
It is a custom design from Original Log Homes out of British Columbia. It has 12-18" diameter round logs (Engelman Spruce) with Swedish saddle knotch locking corners. This house isn't going anywhere unless it burns to the ground! The logs are cut in British Columbia, and air dried for 2 years. Then they design and build your house in British Columbia. They number the logs, tear it apart, load it on a truck, and drive it to your site. They hire a local crane, and erect the frame. The first couple had already built a basement, and did the rest of the work themselves (roof, interior, plumbing, HVAC, electricity, cable, phone, gas lines, etc.).
When we bought the home, we were told that settling would occur for seven years from the date it was constructed. Therefore, most of the trim work was not completed where it would meet a log wall. Where it was done, it is off, and will need to be redone. The home seems to be done settling. The doors that we had realligned in 1998 are fine. The spaces left above the doors and windows seems to have stabilized, so these can be permanently covered, now. The effects of settling don't seem to be too big a deal - I think the first 2 years are the worst. The finish is really important - the first couple just put a coat of CWF on it, which is good for about 2 years. We talked to I-Wood Care in New York, and they sent us a guide on how to redo the finish (using products that they sell, of course!) We sprayed a mixture of bleach, Tri-Sodium Phosphate (TSP), and water with a garden sprayer, power-washed the house, and then (very important) sprayed 2 coats of PeneTreat (a borate treatment which repels mildew and insects) with the garden sprayer. Then we used an airless sprayer followed by brushes to apply Sherwin Williams Woodscapes Stain. This is supposed to be good for 5 years, and we shouldn't ever have to do the Penetreat again. After 1 year, the house still looks brand new. Now that the house is done settling, we will caulk all of the log seams and joints. The real fight on the finish is waged by sunlight, not rain. Big roof overhangs are the key to keeping the logs looking new - just good design. Speaking of design, you just have to be smart about providing enough closets and storage space - we are very happy with our space, but a full basement and attached garage or mud room are a good idea.
Insects are a fact with log homes, so we pay a pest company to come out once a quarter, for about $100 per visit. Then we keep our eye out for wasp nests and spray when we find them. The pest company has chemicals that really limit the wasps and bore bees. A note about bore bees - they usually bore UP, so roof overhangs with wood soffets are usually where they attack. Our solution is to use a brown aluminum or vinyl soffet material except where the dramatic overhangs have very nice tongue and groove board. I have not seen any bore bees this year, after 1 year of the pest company services.
Round logs have lots of horizontal surface, and therefore need to be dusted frequently. I think that's why square and D-shaped logs are so popular, but our round logs look incredible and we love them!
People mentioned quiet - no kidding! When we first moved in, a huge storm was raging one night, and we didn't even know until a door blew open! These homes are so solid - you just know it could last forever if taken care of.
We studied log homes for a long time before buying one already completed. The package prices have to be compared really closely between companies so you can see exactly what is included. I was told the cost to have a home constructed would cost about the same as the package materials, not including well and septic and other hookups. You should probably pick a manufacturer who has been doing it a while and has a representative in your area that you think you can work well with.
It's a good idea to know how you are going to light the interior spaces because all those logs make it dark! We have had good success with track lighting. We love our home, because there are a lot of white, drywall walls inside - this contrasts well with the natural spruce color of the logs, and provides some more light. It's a good idea.
We have 40 acres of woods in a fairly rural area, with about 2 acres of yard, and neighbors close by. The setting is perfect for a log home, and I think finding a buyer would not be a problem because it looks "right" in its setting. Certain types of log homes would just look silly in a suburban housing plan.
So, my overall opinion is that log homes require more maintenance than a brick home, but if designed and treated correctly, are wonderful places to live. Hope this helps somebody thinking about it.

Brad
Satoh S650G
 
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"Speaking of design, you just have to be smart about providing enough closets and storage space"

I think the Europeans have us beat in this area. When I first moved to Germany in the 70's, the first think that surprised me was that the rental apartments I was looking at had no closets or light fixtures in them. Just straight walls and wires hanging out of the ceilings. You have to own your own light fixtures to rent there.

They use portable closits/wardrobes. The disadvantage is that you have to buy those. The advantage is that you have absolute control over the layout of your bedroom. Your closet matches your design and is where you want it to be. If you want to change it later, no problem.

They also have these large wall units to go in the living room for nik-naks, books, bars and entertainment centers. I think these would look good in a log house.

Attached is a picture of one made of Oak that I bought in Nuremberg back in 1978, It has traveled back and forth from Missouri to Germany twice and is just as solid as the day I bought it. The only change I made to it was that I replaced the original glass shelves with safety glass. Right after I moved here, a sonic boom made by a fighter from Whiteman AFB caused the top shelf to break and it went through the two shelves under it breaking some of my wife's collectible's.
 

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my home in western NC...Southern Yelllow pine "D shaped" logs....spline of plastic in center groove with 'invisible" caulking....no chinking
model my Southland Log homes that was customized

3 years old...no settling....only minor cracks

if on a basement foundation.....i would advise full poured concrete walls as opposed to concrete block......my basement walls are 8" thick poured concrete with waterproofing pvc and a chemical spray...20 year guarantee......no moisture found as of date

main problem with log home construction is finding contractors and subcontractos who know what they're doing.....most of mine didn't
still.....the materials used were good
 

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Confused:
What's the atvantage of poured concrete walls over concrete block walls. Most specifications will call for 10 in. blocks. Either one will preform admirally if installed properly.
No settling?? Were kiln dried logs used? Or are you talking about foundation?
Egon
 
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I would have to speculate that since the poured concrete walls have less joints, there is less of a chance of water seeping through. Also, the poured walls I've seen look like they are ready to finish. They are indented for easy insulation installation and need no studs for drywall.

BTW, the concrete blocks used today seem to me to be not as strong as the old cinder blocks. They crumble alot easier.
 
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Nice place! That's what I mean when I tell people about log homes. They seem to picture a 2 room bungalow in the Poconos, or the picture on the Log Cabin Syrup bottle!/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
 
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If you are ever in the Northern Michigan area I suggest you find Lewiston and take a drive through the home areas of Garland Resort. All homes built on the four golf courses and surrounding properties must be of log construction.
They have what the locals refer to as "Millionaire Row" where all of the 20 or so log homes are valued at a minimum of one million dollars and some are at least twice that. The other "sub divisions" have many homes worth well over half a million dollars all of log construction.
The main resort building at Garland was once the largest building built with log construction and is still within the five largest. There was a fire at Garland a couple of years ago that destroyed much of the main lodge but it has been fully restored.
If anyone has a few bucks tucked away Garland is selling it's hunting camp which consists of about 1600 acres of which 1100 is surrounded by a 10' high deer proof fence. Inside this 10" fence is another 160 acres surrounded by a fence designed to hold wild boars which they also hunt there. The sale also includes the Buckhorn Lodge which was used for some events during the winter such as a sleigh ride stop over and meals for their day long cross country skiing event.
The property is listed for about $11,000,000 so bring the BIG checkbook.
Even after the property is sold Garland will still have about 1800 acres so they will remain the area's largest employer for awhile.
 
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One point not mentioned is cleaning. I shuddered when I saw the post about some bark still being on the logs. Man the dusting alone on -clean- logs is a major maintenance factor. My BIL built one so I saw the pros and cons from construction (professional), to living in, to selling not too many years later. Not for me thanks.

Harry, the lazy guy, K
 

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