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[buickanddeere]

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Horse And Buggy Fail To Outrun Police - Liquor And Careless Driving Charges Laid
Source: Area OPP
Date: Tue Jun 23 08:26:51 MST 2015

(TOWNSHIP OF PERTH EAST, ON) On Sunday June 21, 2015, around 4 a.m., Perth County Ontario Provincial Police (OPP) officers were patrolling the village of Milverton when they observed a single horse, black open buggy, with three occupants. The buggy was being driven at a greater than normal buggy speed and was swerving on the streets.

The officers parked at the Main and Mill Street intersection in the village observing the buggy pass them a short time later. The buggy driver sped up the horse as he observed the cruiser.

The buggy proceeded southbound on Main St. South while the cruiser followed the buggy without emergency lighting activated as not to frighten the horse. The buggy continued driving in an erratic manner with the driver attempting to make a sudden sharp left turn as it approached Pugh St. The horse jumped the curb while the buggy tipped causing the three male occupants and the buggy contents (including bottles of liquor) to spill onto the road. The horse and the buggy occupants did not sustain injuries and there was no damage to the buggy as it had landed back on its wheels.

The buggy driver, a 23 year old resident of the Township of Perth East has been charged with 田areless driving? contrary to the Highway Traffic Act. The driver and the two male passengers in their early twenties were also charged with 塗aving liquor in other than licensed premises, residence or private place? contrary to the Liquor Licence Act.

The driver walked the horse and buggy back to the farm from where it was borrowed. - See more at: Horse And Buggy Fail To Outrun Police - Liquor And Careless Driving Charges Laid | www.thewinghamfreepress.com

 

[Fawken]

I'd like to represent them in court. DMV laws do not apply to horse & buggy drivers.

 

[buickanddeere]

The law in Ontario has no sense of humour.

 

[turnkey4099]

I'd like to represent them in court. DMV laws do not apply to horse & buggy drivers.

Many dwi charges have been filed against people riding bikes, garden tractrors, riding horses and driving horse and buggy.

Harry K

 

[Fawken]

"Many?" How many? Insert exact data here _________. What state? How many actual convictions? Insert exact data here ______. Why lump in bicycles and garden tractors to the equation when this is only about horses?

 

[Egon]

"Many?" How many? Insert exact data here _________. What state? How many actual convictions? Insert exact data here ______. Why lump in bicycles and garden tractors to the equation when this is only about horses?

Do a Google search.

[video]http://duiwise.com/dui-dwi-answers/can-you-get-a-dui-dwi-on-a-horse/[/video]

 

[Fawken]

No thanks. The post is about horses who have a mind of their own and I have ridden horses on our country roads while I was literally asleep from working all day in town. The horse got me home. If you are one of these folks that believe horses and buggies are a danger to society to such a degree as to necessitate wasting taxpayer funded police time chasing them down so be it. And I fail to see the relevance of looking up "DWI" information when, according to the story, no one was charged with DWI.

 

[Egon]

No thanks. The post is about horses who have a mind of their own and I have ridden horses on our country roads while I was literally asleep from working all day in town. The horse got me home. If you are one of these folks that believe horses and buggies are a danger to society to such a degree as to necessitate wasting taxpayer funded police time chasing them down so be it. And I fail to see the relevance of looking up "DWI" information when, according to the story, no one was charged with DWI.

You wearing a bridle with blinders?

 

[grsthegreat]

Dwi DO apply to riding or driving horses. Police have arrested lots of people for operating anything on the roads while intoxicated.

 

[Fawken]

Dwi DO apply to riding or driving horses. Police have arrested lots of people for operating anything on the roads while intoxicated.

What the heck is WRONG with you people? Where do I say ANYTHING at all about "DWI"? :anyone::anyone: I may just stop posting here as it seems there is some huge disconnect between the reality of what is posted and what members want to "argue" about.

 

[Egon]

DMV equals what?

 

[newbury]

What the heck is WRONG with you people? Where do I say ANYTHING at all about "DWI"? :anyone::anyone: I may just stop posting here as it seems there is some huge disconnect between the reality of what is posted and what members want to "argue" about.

And that would be a nice thing.
Don't let the door ....

 

[Fawken]

DMV equals what?

Department of MOTOR Vehicles

 

[Fawken]

And that would be a nice thing.
Don't let the door ....

Aw, you got you widdle feelings hurt somewhere. You can pout about it or discuss your issue/s like a man.

 

[Wagtail]

I'd like to represent them in court. DMV laws do not apply to horse & buggy drivers.

Mate, it appears that you have confused the laws of another country with those of your country or State. In Canada (the UK, Australia, NZ, etc...) it is the Highway Act (or variations of the same) and pertains to a vehicle and the use of public roads. The vehicle does not specifically require a combustion "motor" for propulsion. In the case/story of the OP the vehicle was a buggy utilising a horse for propulsion, being driven in an erratic way. IOW the driver was not completely in control of his vehicle on a public road... the same law would apply to a bicycle, billy-cart or (perhaps) even roller skates if he was causing a danger to others/himself/property.

The driver and passengers where also charged with Provincial liquor law violations.

"The buggy driver, a 23 year old resident of the Township of Perth East has been charged with "careless driving" contrary to the Highway Traffic Act. The driver and the two male passengers in their early twenties were also charged with "having liquor in other than licensed premises, residence or private place" contrary to the Liquor Licence Act.

The latter charge probably means that they had open containers whilst the vehicle was in operation.

In short, you would lose the case for your clients.

 

[Fawken]

Mate, it appears that you have confused the laws of another country with those of your country or State......

In short, you would lose the case for your clients.

I might. Depends on the jury and my powers of persuasion. I haven't had a traffic citation in a number of years, but I do enjoy taking them to court when/if the need arises. It saddens me to see that our lives have become so heavily regulated. Once had a prosecutor tell a jury panel in Voir dire that, "That he who represents himself has a fool for an attorney." My response, "The fool for an attorney saying is well traveled. However, since this is the only case I am working, I am one dedicated fool." Jury and judge got a good laugh, but still found me guilty and fined me $25.

 

[Fawken]

You get off harping about DMV laws in Ontario, which apparently you are familiar with, get in a heated post trade with a well respected member and threaten to stop posting.
Reads like YOU got your feelings hurt and were going to take your toys and go home. Which would lower the level of arguments.

Haven't a clue about DMV laws in Ontario. The thing for me is this: There is all kinds of craziness in this world. Example: I'm living next door to a guy who's storing tons of stolen materials and the cops are powerless to stop it. When I read stories like the OP posted, I remember the silly things I did and most likely we all did at twenty-three-years-young. I just don't remember cops waiting around every corner trying to sour the fun. I don't want the government to "protect" me from every conceivable pitfall life throws in my path. It gets to the point where a man is no longer free. That is my opinion and as such it is debatable. As far as "well respected member," I did not realize there was a hierarchy observed by the members here and I apologize if I committed some act of blasphemy.

 

[turnkey4099]

Department of MOTOR Vehicles

And arrests for DWI on bicycles, horses, etc. proves it doesn't matter.

DMV licences vehicles. Law Enforcement takes care of traffic enforcement.

Harry K