Loader Specs

[jaydee325]

I'm comparing two CUTs loader specs. Brand X has a lift capacity at the pin of 2250 lbs and a breakout force at the pin of 2746 lbs. Brand Y has a lift capacity at the pin of 1360 lbs and a breakout force of 2855 lbs at the pins.

Can anyone help me correlate these numbers into real world performance? I was surprised that the tractor with the lower lift capacity had a higher breakout force.

Thanks,

Bob

 

[LD1]

Lift capacity is just that. What the loader can lift.

Breakout force is really its curl strength. I actually think they word it as a function of curl AND lift. It is basically the ability to "break-out" of a pile of dirt with a full scoop.

And loader ratings are all over the place. For example, My L3400 has a relatively low rating of ~1200lbs at the pins. There are similar sized tractors with almost double that. But I tell you what, I have to have loaded tires and a 1100lb bushhog hanging on the back to keep them tires down. So I am not sure what I would do with any more lift capacity??

But one thing I have noticed in general, is that MFG,s usually size the loader pretty well to match the tractor. And I dont know any loader-tractors that at least cannot lift a full scoop of dirt, sand, stone, or whatever.

But if you are looking to move pallets or what-not, then lift specs may be a bit more important.

So IMO, if you are just looking for general loader work, I think there is far more important things to focus on between brand X and Brand Y than a few lift specs of the loader.

Perhaps you could clue us in on the two you are looking at???

 

[GManBart]

The other complicating factor is whether the manufacturer lists the lift capacity at the pins to max height, or an intermediate height. In some cases, they don't tell you which it is. Typically, the difference between weight to max height at the pins, and the intermediate height (I can't recall what the standard is, but it's a few feet), is quite significant...probably a third less in most cases.

The breakout force for the loader with 2,250lbs of lift capacity is pretty low. For example, the loader on an LS R3039 has 2,250lbs of max lift, and a breakout force of 3,457....a pretty typical difference between the two.

 

[Zebrafive]

The other complicating factor is whether the manufacturer lists the lift capacity at the pins to max height, or an intermediate height. In some cases, they don't tell you which it is. Typically, the difference between weight to max height at the pins, and the intermediate height (I can't recall what the standard is, but it's a few feet), is quite significant...probably a third less in most cases.

The breakout force for the loader with 2,250lbs of lift capacity is pretty low. For example, the loader on an LS R3039 has 2,250lbs of max lift, and a breakout force of 3,457....a pretty typical difference between the two.

I think the std intermediate height is 1.5 meters, approximately 5ft.
Also a loader with higher lift might have less capacity at full lift, but still more at 1.5m than a loader that can not lift as high.
I can't explain why, but mechanical self leveling loaders usually have greater capacity than non self leveling loaders.

 

[LD1]

It would be interesting to hear back from the OP on this.

He only has 4 posts, and one was questioning the LS3039 and another was questioning the JD 2720 vs the new 2032 deere.

It is ironic that he mentions one of the brands having 2250lbs lift as does the LS3039. Perhaps he mis-read about the break-out force.

In either case, if those are the tractors in question, they are tractors of a different class. The LS is much bigger. More comparable to the 3000 series deeres.

 

[jaydee325]

Ok guys. I did not mention brands since I was just trying to understand the specs and did not want this to turn into a brand battle.

Yes, brand X is an LS-R3039H. I quoted the specs for the LL3103 loader from my hard copy brochure I got from the dealer. I checked the specs against the down load brochure from the web site and there is a discrepancy! On line states breakout at 3457 lbs.

Brand Y is a John Deere 3320 with 300X loader. Yes, I have mentioned interest in the 2720 and now 2032R, but neither of these tractors are available. So, I've been looking at the 3320 that is in stock at two local dealers. This tractor is pricey though!

 

[k0ua]

Jaydee325, what are you wanting to do with your new tractor.. In other words, what do you want to lift, or move or push. Maybe that would help us help you. Just my thoughts are that JD's dealer network, and parts availability are second to none, but LS or Kioti or others may offer more tractor for less money. It is kinda up to you to decide how much these things should weigh in. There are no wrong choices. All of the ones mentioned and many others make good tractors. I have had 1 Long, (Brasilov tractor) 1 New Holland (made by Shibaura then ) 2 Kubota's and now 1 Kioti. I also have a JD lawn tractor, so I have some green paint too. I try to keep an open mind about tractors.

James K0UA

James K0UA

 

[LD1]

Well just take the specs with a grain of salt. Unless you plan on ballasting the crap out of it, and using it like a forklift, understand that either tractor and loader will do what you expect.

But I have to say, the LS3039 is physically very similar to my L3400 kubota. It only weighs about 100lbs more, and darn near identical dimensions otherwise. But has a full 1000lbs more lift capacity:shocked: Very surprising. My loader is only rated @ ~1200lbs. Any more would be pointless other than bragging rights, cause the tractor w/loaded tires and 1000# on the back barley manages the lift capacity I got.

 

[GManBart]

Just to add a little more info to the discussion, I pulled out the loader manual for my R4047 (LL4101 loader). Their website, and brochures say it can lift 2,500lbs at the pivot pin, but don't specify whether that's to max height, or something less. The loader manual specifies max weight, to full lift, at the pivot pins as 2,634lbs. It also lists breakout force, at ground level, at the pivot pins, as 4,354lbs, which is what the website, and brochures show.

For whatever reason, many of the manufacturers seem to do a poor job of listing loader specs, and it only gets worse once you add in third parties like TractorData (although they generally do a fine job).

 

[GManBart]

My loader is only rated @ ~1200lbs. Any more would be pointless other than bragging rights, cause the tractor w/loaded tires and 1000# on the back barley manages the lift capacity I got.

Wow, that's surprising. I would have thought that with just a 1000# counterweight, you'd be fine at maxing the loader.

My R4047 has a somewhat stronger loader than the R3039, and with unloaded rear tires, and nothing on the 3pt, I've lifted 1,500-1700lbs, with the rear tires starting to get light. With my counterweight (1,350lbs), and unloaded tires, I can put the forks under something beyond the capacity of the loader, and the rears stay on the ground. If I do that, and try to use the breakout force, I can start to raise the rears, but not terribly so.