Legal issues- representing yourself in court?

   / Legal issues- representing yourself in court? #41  
Well Bird at least it got done promptly. I guy I used to work with in Arkansas in the mid 1980's got stopped for speeding in a small town in southern AR on a Sunday afternoon. The local judge or JP didn't work on Sunday and just happened to be out of town on Monday. Tuesday morning he got his hearing and fine of $100 to $150(I don't remember exactly) and sent on his way. 48 hours in jail and no phone call or hearing.:mad: All in all a big lesson for being young, from out of state(OK in AR), and speeding 10 mph or so in small town AR.
I got luckier when I got stopped over in northern AR a few years ago in a speed trap. I was taking my 3 kids(the wife stayed home)the senic route up to Springfield,MO to visit relative's and hit the original Bass Pro shop. I ended up writing the officers a check on the spot(yes right on the side of the highway). $125 for 10 over and court costs:rolleyes: . It never showed up on my insurance or driving record;) .
 
   / Legal issues- representing yourself in court? #42  
Eddie, I have no doubt at all that the rumor is fact. Actually, nothing too unusual about it, though they do usually try not to make it quite so obvious.
 
   / Legal issues- representing yourself in court? #43  
You're all making me feel really good about Michigan's judicial system. If we can't have a functioning economy, at least we can be basically free of corruption...
 
   / Legal issues- representing yourself in court? #44  
Z-Michigan said:
You're all making me feel really good about Michigan's judicial system. If we can't have a functioning economy, at least we can be basically free of corruption...

If that's the case, I envy you, because it sure ain't the case in many states.
 
   / Legal issues- representing yourself in court? #45  
Bird said:
It might be a little hard to believe now, but back then it wasn't uncommon for the officers to take a violator to the JP's home in the middle of the night, knock on the door, the JP would yell for them to come in, but not even get out of bed, and the JP would hold court sitting up in bed with the officers and violator standing at the foot of the bed.

I have a trucker friend that used to tell of going to such a court in the wee hours of the morning in a southern state. The awakened judge presided in his pajamas & robe on the breezeway. After paying his fine he tried to get back into the cruiser whereas the trooper asked what he was doing. He replied "Aren't you giving me a ride back to my truck?" To which the trooper answered " I don't care if you ever get back to your #*%^ truck!" and he drove away. No lights on at the judge's house and no inclination to ring the bell again so he started walking. He eventually saw lights on the horizon & hitchhiked to a truckstop & found a ride back to his truck. MikeD74T
 
   / Legal issues- representing yourself in court? #46  
I always worry about corruption when I visit Mexico, but I've never had a bad experience there. Sounds like I need to worry a lot more when I take road trips south of the Ohio river (and maybe the Platte River too). Not slamming anyone, just an observation.
 
   / Legal issues- representing yourself in court? #47  
Z-Michigan said:
I always worry about corruption when I visit Mexico, but I've never had a bad experience there. Sounds like I need to worry a lot more when I take road trips south of the Ohio river (and maybe the Platte River too). Not slamming anyone, just an observation.

Remember, most of these anecdotes happened many years ago, and I could also tell a couple from Mississippi and Arkansas. But the information age has changed things so much that there is little more to be wary of in Mississippi than Maine nowadays.

And certainly, there is no corruption in Louisiana anymore. :rolleyes:
 
   / Legal issues- representing yourself in court? #48  
Good to hear... I think I made too broad of a statement. Although you won't fool me about Louisiana, and I'm still hearing about the "Scruggs affair" as it's called some places.
 
   / Legal issues- representing yourself in court? #49  
bjcsc said:
Representing yourself in a case of any magnitude would be suicide. Judges were all practicing lawyers, and if you don't pay into the circle and keep it all going they'll pound you. As was said, if you think logic applies to any of it - it doesn't. If you think that it will be fair - it won't. If you think that people, even public figures, won't lie on the stand - they absolutely will and the judge will tolerate it.

Not always true. But maybe traffic cases are different. And maybe I was lucky that day.

A few years back, I was at my desk one morning when I was paged to come up to the front office. When I got there, there stood a police officer. Apparently, some guy had called the cops on me during my early morning pre-dawn drive to work and told them that I had been tailgating them, speeding, and then cut them off, the MORNING BEFORE, and saw my truck the following morning and saw where I pulled in, so called and filed a report.

I got a ticket for reckless driving because this guy wanted to press charges.

Well, after a few preparatory phone calls with my lawyer, and a month of stressing about this stupid court date, I compiled as much info as I could, before my day in court came (I had turned down a plea deal since I was convinced I hadn't done anything wrong).

So it was me against the Assistant DA, the "accuser", and the cop that wrote up the ticket. The ADA handed me a few papers with hand drawn maps with notes, etc all over it that the accuser had put together, and had all sorts of questions for the guy and the female cop when they were on the stand. I'm sitting there crapping my pants because 8 cases before me ended up with the accused getting nailed for all the charges, fines, points, and the additional court fees because they decided to fight it out in court.

When I looked at the papers I was handed, a few things stuck out - the troublesome truck was a slightly different color, had 10th Mountain Division license plates, and was an F350 extended cab. Suddenly, I realized that all those years of watching shows like Law & Order might just pay off - I was going to focus on the technicalities - the slightly different color of my truck, the similar looking plates from an in-state University, that it is an F250, and is a 4 door crew cab. So when it was my turn to question the accuser, I asked him if he was sure of the plates, the F350 emblem, and the extended cab. He walked right into my trap, and answered that he was positive of those details. After asking him 2 more times if he was absolutely sure that it was an F350, he became even more confident that he was right and that he had me by the ****, and was sure of what he saw, without a doubt. I even asked if maybe it could have been an F150, or F450 (I purposely left out the word F250), and he assured us all, especially the judge, that he saw the F350 emblem clearly.

I turned to the judge, and said that the accuser had the wrong vehicle, and explained the different license plates, the different color, the 4 doors of the crew cab, and the big one - that my truck was an F250, not an F350. At that point, the ADA began backpedaling, and started talking about all the different custom plates that look very similar and are hard to distinguish, and the almost non-discernable difference between the F250 & F350 badging.

When the judge rendered his decision, he complimented me on how well I presented my case, then began to rip the ADA up one side and down the other because she was so sure of what the details were until I started picking everything apart. It was all I could do to keep the smirk on my face from growing too big as he scolded this over-zealous ADA for wasting everyone's time with a poorly prepared case that was obviously strewn with innacuracies. He dropped all charges against me, and my clean driving record stayed that way. As the ADA and accuser were standing in the courtroom with their mouths hanging open, the officer ran out behind me to congratulate me on presenting such a good case, and being so well prepared. :cool:
 
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   / Legal issues- representing yourself in court?
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#50  
Wow- great story- I was imagining something like this when I started this thread

Anyone else have a similar success story?
 

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