LED Garage Lights

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#31  
OK, I went to Lowe's and bought a 4 foot LED light today for $45. This 4 foot LED light gives off 3,600 Lumens of light and is a lot brighter than the 8 foot double bulb Flourescent light it replaced. It is a flush mount light. There are no bulbs to replace ever. They claim to last up to 35,000 hours. It is a 40 watt. I need 3 to 4 more them. Anyone need to buy some old used heavy 8 foot double bulb flourescent garage light fixtures?
sherpa
 
   / LED Garage Lights #32  
I'm at Costco now. Buying 4ft LEDs with fixture for $29. Was just going to buy bulbs but they were on sale at same price so going to add more lighting to garage instead! Will compare brightness and RF interference this afternoon.


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   / LED Garage Lights #33  
I just did some looking at those led tubes. I have a question.

How does the light output compare to flourescents?

I noticed the prices have come down a bit, and would consider them, but the numbers don't make sense.

The leds seem to be somewhere between 16w and 20w and right at 100 lumens per watt.

So to keep things simple, let's compare 16w/ 1600lumen/ 5000k

My t8's are 32w 5000k, and 2800 lumens.

I currently burn 64 bulbs when in the shop. (8 6- bulb fixtures and 4 4- bulb fixtures). That's 2048w of light and 179,200 lumens

To get equal lumens would require 112 leds, and at 16w each, that's 1792w of power. So for equal light output, only a 256w savings. (12%) far cry from the claims of 50-60% energy savings I am seeing online.

At $8 per tube, and needing 112 of them, for a total savings of 4 cents per hour, they would have to burn 22,400 hours just to break even. Or about 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, for 11 years. Hard to justify.

If I only went with 64 bulbs to replace my existing tubes, I would only have 102,000 lumens instead of almost 180k. So about 43% less light.

I could just remove 43% of my flourescents, down to 36 bulbs to match the lumens of 64 leds. Power would be 1024w for led vs 1154 for flourescents. Not enough to justify the savings. And I really don't think taking out almost 1/2 of my lights will leave it bright enough. Thus the lower lumen output of leds concern me and make.me thin I would need to add fixtures if I went that route.

So, what's the scoop? Is lumens not an accurate eye test? Is there no noticeable difference between two fixtures side by side in the real world?
 
   / LED Garage Lights #34  
I just did some looking at those led tubes. I have a question. How does the light output compare to flourescents? I noticed the prices have come down a bit, and would consider them, but the numbers don't make sense. The leds seem to be somewhere between 16w and 20w and right at 100 lumens per watt. So to keep things simple, let's compare 16w/ 1600lumen/ 5000k My t8's are 32w 5000k, and 2800 lumens. I currently burn 64 bulbs when in the shop. (8 6- bulb fixtures and 4 4- bulb fixtures). That's 2048w of light and 179,200 lumens To get equal lumens would require 112 leds, and at 16w each, that's 1792w of power. So for equal light output, only a 256w savings. (12%) far cry from the claims of 50-60% energy savings I am seeing online. At $8 per tube, and needing 112 of them, for a total savings of 4 cents per hour, they would have to burn 22,400 hours just to break even. Or about 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, for 11 years. Hard to justify. If I only went with 64 bulbs to replace my existing tubes, I would only have 102,000 lumens instead of almost 180k. So about 43% less light. I could just remove 43% of my flourescents, down to 36 bulbs to match the lumens of 64 leds. Power would be 1024w for led vs 1154 for flourescents. Not enough to justify the savings. And I really don't think taking out almost 1/2 of my lights will leave it bright enough. Thus the lower lumen output of leds concern me and make.me thin I would need to add fixtures if I went that route. So, what's the scoop? Is lumens not an accurate eye test? Is there no noticeable difference between two fixtures side by side in the real world?

Very interesting analysis, LD1. Sounds like they may mot be worth it!
 
   / LED Garage Lights #35  
I just did some looking at those led tubes. I have a question. How does the light output compare to flourescents? I noticed the prices have come down a bit, and would consider them, but the numbers don't make sense. The leds seem to be somewhere between 16w and 20w and right at 100 lumens per watt. So to keep things simple, let's compare 16w/ 1600lumen/ 5000k My t8's are 32w 5000k, and 2800 lumens. I currently burn 64 bulbs when in the shop. (8 6- bulb fixtures and 4 4- bulb fixtures). That's 2048w of light and 179,200 lumens To get equal lumens would require 112 leds, and at 16w each, that's 1792w of power. So for equal light output, only a 256w savings. (12%) far cry from the claims of 50-60% energy savings I am seeing online. At $8 per tube, and needing 112 of them, for a total savings of 4 cents per hour, they would have to burn 22,400 hours just to break even. Or about 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, for 11 years. Hard to justify. If I only went with 64 bulbs to replace my existing tubes, I would only have 102,000 lumens instead of almost 180k. So about 43% less light. I could just remove 43% of my flourescents, down to 36 bulbs to match the lumens of 64 leds. Power would be 1024w for led vs 1154 for flourescents. Not enough to justify the savings. And I really don't think taking out almost 1/2 of my lights will leave it bright enough. Thus the lower lumen output of leds concern me and make.me thin I would need to add fixtures if I went that route. So, what's the scoop? Is lumens not an accurate eye test? Is there no noticeable difference between two fixtures side by side in the real world?
The LEDs don't require a Ballast. I have to replace a ballast every couple of years. It would make more sense to just replace that fixture with LEDs. In maybe 20 years I would have them all changed. In reality they will drop in price, and I will just change them all over in a couple years. The LED bulbs have already halved in price since they came out a few years ago.
 
   / LED Garage Lights #36  
A incandescent bulb is going to be the same efficiency as any type of electric resistance heat. Weather that be portable fan-type heaters, oil filled, radiant type, baseboards, heat strips in the furnace, your oven, etc. If you are using electric as heat in the winter, then there would technically be no cost savings in the winter to run LED's. But electric resistance is the most in-efficient electric heat. Heat/pumps and geothermal give 2.5-5 times more heat out per watt. And some heat with wood or propane or NG. Thats when led's are better
I don't heat with electric. Besides those crapper kerosene heaters electric heat is the most expensive option there is.,My primary heat source is wood which cost about 35 dollars a month to burn. It costs drastically less if I split it, but I pay a guy to split most of it. Even if you did heat with electric why would you go through the trouble of changing the light bulbs twice a year? I would have to store a couple hundred light bulbs of the other type, and forgetting to change back in the summer would quickly eat up the very small cost savings. I think you could save far more money by investing in more insulation, better windows, and more efficient heating equipment then worrying about light bulbs.
 
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#38  
We are going back to Lowe's Hardware and get 4 more of the 4 foot LED lights:
(40 watt, 3,600 Lumens, last 35,000 hours)

I hope to have them all installed by the end of the day. This is a nice upgrade to the garage. The wife and I spend most of our awake hours doing projects in the garage and I think she is more excited over these lights than I am.

Happy New Year
sherpa
 
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#39  
I got all 4 of my LED garage lights up. I have one more light that I have not decided where I want it just yet. I will try it in a few places for the most light before I install it. I am ready for 2016 now.
sherpa
 
   / LED Garage Lights #40  
I had been wanting an LED dual headed work light. I've got an old HF halogen.
Voila

Main reason I did it was because it was so hot last summer using the halogens was cooking me.
 

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